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Well, not the hole in the wall itself, but the wooden ‘frame’, the decorative back, and the gas fire. She didn’t take the base unit. He knew where she had moved to because a decorator who works for him also works for other private landlords, and was in the woman’s new rented house. He told the landlord, who called the police and recovered his property. Luckily she hadn’t got around to fitting the stuff into the new house.
She liked it, so she decided to take it with her? (FWIW, it would probably have cost her more to re-install it elsewhere than to buy one of her own!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeanette
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Many thanks from me, too — I am thinking back to the day 22 years ago that my landlady let me keep Frodo although pets "weren’t allowed." Christine
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken, This is a public thank you to you, and to those like you, who are willing to take a risk, go against the grain, and allow tenants with pets. Over sixteen years ago, my ex-husband and I had four beautiful cats we loved dearly. Our building was bought, and we had to move. We knew finding a place where they would be allowed to live would be difficult. So many landlords do not want to rent to tenants with pets; there are so many concerns – some of them justifiable – about smells, and damage, and other difficulties. When I looked you in the eyes and asked "What about pets?" and you asked me what we had, I responded "Four cats". You didn’t blink an eye, and said simply "If I have to have the place fumigated when you leave, it will come out of your deposit." Fair enough. You were direct and truthful, and so was I. We moved in. Since then, those four beautiful, wonderful cats grew old and died of cancer, and kidney disease. I remarried. As time went on, we adopted others. Now we are seven cats and two humans, and each one is precious. Thank you for understanding. Thank you for knowing that we have seven cats, and at the very least tolerating it. Thank you for knowing that I do rescues sometimes, too, and tolerating that. Of course, some of the rescues have become part of our permanent family 
Thank you for being one of the rare landlords who, although you may not be thinking of animal welfare, nonetheless, advance it because you allow them residence. Who knows how many animals you have helped live because you are flexible and tolerant enough? And most of all, thank you for being decent, and a human being with a heart. Ginger-lyn and Richard and Cosmo, Internet, Sabra, Trill, Wolfie, Brando and Merlyn and in memory of Circe, Tiki, Geesha, Sonia and Mojo
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I rent out our old house, and we cleaned the carpets thoroughly before our first tenant moved in. It seems only fair to expect the outgoing tenant to do the same for the next tenant. Jeanette Agreed. Vernon & I used to rent a house out. We got the tenants from h*ll on a couple of occasions – months in arrears on their rent with no explanation.. leaving the place a mess…. It cost us a lot of money to put right what the tenants had done 
I had friends who were (absentee) landlords for their small ranch in Tehachapee (Calif), back during the "hippie" era. When they’d not received their rent for three months, nor any word fron the tenants, they investigated. Not only had the people moved out leaving the place a mess, they had taken all the furniture (it was let furnished), the cook-stove, the kitchen sink, the toilet…. Any other candidates for the title of "Tenant from Hell"? Cheers, helen s
My mother’s boss rents out houses, and one of his tenants took the fireplace with her. He got it back. Jeanette
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say about Re: A Thank-You to a Landlord Who Allows Pets: My mother’s boss rents out houses, and one of his tenants took the fireplace with her. He got it back. [boggle] HOW?
Well, not the hole in the wall itself, but the wooden ‘frame’, the decorative back, and the gas fire. She didn’t take the base unit. He knew where she had moved to because a decorator who works for him also works for other private landlords, and was in the woman’s new rented house. He told the landlord, who called the police and recovered his property. Luckily she hadn’t got around to fitting the stuff into the new house. Jeanette
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Evelyn said:Full-sized or miniature? I gather some people make housepets out of the miniature horses! (Can’t see it myself – some animals belong out of doors, or at least in their own quarters.) yeah, but they have been training those miniature ponies like guide dogs too though, so they would be an indoor animal… Kristy — (Insert Random Cat Quote Here)
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say about Re: A Thank-You to a Landlord Who Allows Pets: My mother’s boss rents out houses, and one of his tenants took the fireplace with her. He got it back.
[boggle] HOW? — Seanette Blaylock "You attribute perfect rationality to the whole of humanity, which has to be one of the most misguided assumptions ever." – Alan Krueger in NANAE [make obvious correction to address to send e-mail]
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Ack. I think you’ve got this one beat, but I have a friend who has a rural rental property, and upon inspection after the last tenants vacated, she found they’d been keeping a pony. In the bedroom.
Full-sized or miniature? I gather some people make housepets out of the miniature horses! (Can’t see it myself – some animals belong out of doors, or at least in their own quarters.)
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Absolutely! Best wishes to your landlord also, — Polonca & Soncek
Ken, This is a public thank you to you, and to those like you, who are willing to take a risk, go against the grain, and allow tenants with pets.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had friends who were (absentee) landlords for their small ranch in Tehachapee (Calif), back during the "hippie" era. When they’d not received their rent for three months, nor any word fron the tenants, they investigated. Not only had the people moved out leaving the place a mess, they had taken all the furniture (it was let furnished), the cook-stove, the kitchen sink, the toilet…. Any other candidates for the title of "Tenant from Hell"? Cheers, helen s Flush out that intestinal parasite and/or the waste product before sending a reply! Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd I had friends who were (absentee) landlords for their small ranch in Tehachapee (Calif), back during the "hippie" era. When they’d not received their rent for three months, nor any word fron the tenants, they investigated. Not only had the people moved out leaving the place a mess, they had taken all the furniture (it was let furnished), the cook-stove, the kitchen sink, the toilet…. Any other candidates for the title of "Tenant from Hell"? Cheers, helen s
Ack. I think you’ve got this one beat, but I have a friend who has a rural rental property, and upon inspection after the last tenants vacated, she found they’d been keeping a pony. In the bedroom. Sherry
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I rent out our old house, and we cleaned the carpets thoroughly before our first tenant moved in. It seems only fair to expect the outgoing tenant to do the same for the next tenant. Jeanette
Agreed. Vernon & I used to rent a house out. We got the tenants from h*ll on a couple of occasions – months in arrears on their rent with no explanation.. leaving the place a mess…. It cost us a lot of money to put right what the tenants had done Cheers, helen s Flush out that intestinal parasite and/or the waste product before sending a reply! Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd
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What a great letter!! I too have a good landlord in that way. I just moved into this mini-home this past summer, and had six cats when I arrived, which he knew about. Now there are nine (Lilly’s babies) and he hasn’t said a thing. I would like to get back down to my original four however. This place is too small for so many small cats running around. It would be better if you had that many LARGE cats running around?
Well… NO.. just less kitties in general…. Kristy Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd
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I rent out our old house, and we cleaned the carpets thoroughly before our first tenant moved in. It seems only fair to expect the outgoing tenant to do the same for the next tenant. Jeanette Agreed. Vernon & I used to rent a house out. We got the tenants from h*ll on a couple of occasions – months in arrears on their rent with no explanation.. leaving the place a mess…. It cost us a lot of money to put right what the tenants had done
I had friends who were (absentee) landlords for their small ranch in Tehachapee (Calif), back during the "hippie" era. When they’d not received their rent for three months, nor any word fron the tenants, they investigated. Not only had the people moved out leaving the place a mess, they had taken all the furniture (it was let furnished), the cook-stove, the kitchen sink, the toilet…. Any other candidates for the title of "Tenant from Hell"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers, helen s Flush out that intestinal parasite and/or the waste product before sending a reply! Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd
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Cute story, Sherry. But I don’t understand what’s so evil about asking the tenants to have the carpet cleaned after they move out. That was always what I had to do for any apartment I’ve ever rented, even without pets. Either you clean the carpet yourself with your own money, or the landlord does it and takes the expense out of your deposit. Normal, I thought. — Britta Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on Vino and "friends" album
I rent out our old house, and we cleaned the carpets thoroughly before our first tenant moved in. It seems only fair to expect the outgoing tenant to do the same for the next tenant. Jeanette
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Ken, This is a public thank you to you, and to those like you, who are willing to take a risk, go against the grain, and allow tenants with pets.
<Lovely letter snipped AMEN. And thank you to all landlords everywhere who do allow pets. Hazel Az
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Next time you see your landlord – give him a hug from me. Cheers, helen s Flush out that intestinal parasite and/or the waste product before sending a reply! Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd
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Thats odd. Here in Australia, the cleaning cleaning of the carpets after you leave is part of the standard rental agreement. I have personally never actually got anyone in to clean them, but instead have asked the real state agent to organise it and take it out of my bond
I thought it was odd, too, Yowie. But I mean I got slammed good on that group. Apparantly it’s the law here in some states that you can only ask for a (refundable) pet deposit. I never did ask for the deposit, just a promise that they’d clean the carpet after they leave, mostly out of respect for the next tenants, who could be pet-less and ultra sensitive to dander. This is a real small town, and I don’t even have people sign a contract. I nearly always know the people or their family. I might get burned someday, but so far it’s been fine. Sherry
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Fortunately, I live in a "pet friendly" building (and yes, it’s a rather nice one). Of course, we have to pay a damage deposit, but nothing excessive, and that’s no more than one expects. Nearly everyone here has dogs or cats – it’s really neat (makes me think of Europe). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s hard to find a place here, or a nice one anyway, that allows pets. That’s wrong.
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What a great letter!! I too have a good landlord in that way. I just moved into this mini-home this past summer, and had six cats when I arrived, which he knew about. Now there are nine (Lilly’s babies) and he hasn’t said a thing. I would like to get back down to my original four however. This place is too small for so many small cats running around.
It would be better if you had that many LARGE cats running around?
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Cute story, Sherry. But I don’t understand what’s so evil about asking the tenants to have the carpet cleaned after they move out. That was always what I had to do for any apartment I’ve ever rented, even without pets. Either you clean the carpet yourself with your own money, or the landlord does it and takes the expense out of your deposit. Normal, I thought. — Britta Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on Vino and "friends" album
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s hard to find a place here, or a nice one anyway, that allows pets. That’s wrong. Pets are part of the family, and pets belong indoors. The irresponsible people are the ones who make it hard for everyone. We have two rental homes in town. Pets are never a problem, and I don’t ask for a specific ”pet deposit." What I do, is ask the tenant to have the carpets cleaned after they leave, just like it was when they moved in. Verbal agreement. In all the years we’ve had that property, we have never hadd a problem with pets (children are another (plumbing) story). I mentioned this "method" on another group. I got flamed into oblivion by someone who claimed it was akin to a "nonrefundable deposit", was illegal, and I was breaking the law. I say it’s common courtesy, like it would be for me to clean a carpet after I move out. No one has ever objected. I didn’t think it was such a big deal to ask, but apparently some people do. Risking more flames here, I have to also testiify that cats don’t flush toys down the toilet, or color on the woodwork with magic marker, and don’t seem to pee on the carpet as much as children-in-potty-training do. Funny story, just happened this week though. I had to meet a plumber at one of the houses, the toilet was clogged. He found, in the pipes, an entire box of roofing nails. The tenants’ child was out chatting with us and watching. I asked "Did you flush nails down the toilet?" He looks at me with the biggest, loveliest eyes, and said, "Well, not *today.*" Sherry
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Ken, This is a public thank you to you, and to those like you, who are willing to take a risk, go against the grain, and allow tenants with pets.
That’s lovely. Thank you Ken.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s hard to find a place here, or a nice one anyway, that allows pets. That’s wrong. Pets are part of the family, and pets belong indoors. The irresponsible people are the ones who make it hard for everyone. We have two rental homes in town. Pets are never a problem, and I don’t ask for a specific ”pet deposit." What I do, is ask the tenant to have the carpets cleaned after they leave, just like it was when they moved in. Verbal agreement. In all the years we’ve had that property, we have never hadd a problem with pets (children are another (plumbing) story). I mentioned this "method" on another group. I got flamed into oblivion by someone who claimed it was akin to a "nonrefundable deposit", was illegal, and I was breaking the law. I say it’s common courtesy, like it would be for me to clean a carpet after I move out. No one has ever objected. I didn’t think it was such a big deal to ask, but apparently some people
do. Thats odd. Here in Australia, the cleaning cleaning of the carpets after you leave is part of the standard rental agreement. I have personally never actually got anyone in to clean them, but instead have asked the real state agent to organise it and take it out of my bond (it has always been cheaper that way as they have tendered for the job of being that particular real estate’s carpet cleaner). Sometimes they don’t bother if the carpets look & smell clean (even if Shmogg had lived there the whole time!) I’ve found that every single one of my Real Estate agents didn’t give a rat’s bum about the presence or otherwise of a cat, even a b*st*rd c*t, or budgies (who do more damge IMHO my sh*tting on absolutely everything) so long as the rent came in on time. It was really a matter of "don’t ask don’t tell" and as long as you didn’t wave said pets in their faces, they’d prefer an otherwise excellent tenant who always paid on time no matter what than to go through the hassle of kicking me out, and then risking the flat being empty for a while and getting perhaps a tenant who either had money hassles or didn’t keep the place clean, tidy and well maintained (or both!). "No Pets" is part of the standard contract too, and there is not such thing as a "pet deposit" here. If the landlord is kind, s/he may put a special waiver into the "special conditions" part of hte contract, but since most rental properties deal through Real Estate Agents who don’t tend to show any flexibility or understanding towards their rental tenants, its *really* hard to find a place that will allow pets. Now, I’d sort of understand the problem of cats *if* the places were furnished. Cats can cause damage to some furniture by clawing. But the vast majority of rental housing here is unfurnished and I really can’t see what sort of damage a cat can do. Leave fur on the carpet? The point is that I’m liable for any damage to the property that occurs through my action (or inaction), including what my pets, children, housemates & guests do. A cat, IMHO, at its most untrained and yuckiest, still can’t cause half the damage that humans can cause to a place. I can understand paying an extra 2 weeks bond (returnable) to cover any extra damage, but really, it just seems to discriminate against pet owners. Yowie
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What a great letter!! I too have a good landlord in that way. I just moved into this mini-home this past summer, and had six cats when I arrived, which he knew about. Now there are nine (Lilly’s babies) and he hasn’t said a thing. I would like to get back down to my original four however. This place is too small for so many small cats running around. Kristy — Any speeliong mistake$ aR the resiult of my cats sitting on the keyboaRRRDdd
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken, This is a public thank you to you, and to those like you, who are willing to take a risk, go against the grain, and allow tenants with pets. Over sixteen years ago, my ex-husband and I had four beautiful cats we loved dearly. Our building was bought, and we had to move. We knew finding a place where they would be allowed to live would be difficult. So many landlords do not want to rent to tenants with pets; there are so many concerns – some of them justifiable – about smells, and damage, and other difficulties. When I looked you in the eyes and asked "What about pets?" and you asked me what we had, I responded "Four cats". You didn’t blink an eye, and said simply "If I have to have the place fumigated when you leave, it will come out of your deposit." Fair enough. You were direct and truthful, and so was I. We moved in. Since then, those four beautiful, wonderful cats grew old and died of cancer, and kidney disease. I remarried. As time went on, we adopted others. Now we are seven cats and two humans, and each one is precious. Thank you for understanding. Thank you for knowing that we have seven cats, and at the very least tolerating it. Thank you for knowing that I do rescues sometimes, too, and tolerating that. Of course, some of the rescues have become part of our permanent family Thank you for being one of the rare landlords who, although you may not be thinking of animal welfare, nonetheless, advance it because you allow them residence. Who knows how many animals you have helped live because you are flexible and tolerant enough? And most of all, thank you for being decent, and a human being with a heart. Ginger-lyn and Richard and Cosmo, Internet, Sabra, Trill, Wolfie, Brando and Merlyn and in memory of Circe, Tiki, Geesha, Sonia and Mojo
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you for being one of the rare landlords who, although you may not be thinking of animal welfare, nonetheless, advance it because you allow them residence. Who knows how many animals you have helped live because you are flexible and tolerant enough? And most of all, thank you for being decent, and a human being with a heart. Ginger-lyn and Richard and Cosmo, Internet, Sabra, Trill, Wolfie, Brando and Merlyn and in memory of Circe, Tiki, Geesha, Sonia and Mojo Thank you for being one of the rare landlords who, although you may not be thinking of animal welfare, nonetheless, advance it because you allow them residence. Who knows how many animals you have helped live because you are flexible and tolerant enough? And most of all, thank you for being decent, and a human being with a heart. Ginger-lyn It’s hard to find a place here, or a nice one anyway, that allows pets. That’s wrong. Pets are part of the family, and pets belong indoors. The irresponsible people are the ones who make it hard for everyone. We have two rental homes in town. Pets are never a problem, and I don’t ask for a specific ”pet deposit." What I do, is ask the tenant to have the carpets cleaned after they leave, just like it was when they moved in. Verbal agreement. In all the years we’ve had that property, we have never hadd a problem with pets (children are another (plumbing) story). I mentioned this "method" on another group. I got flamed into oblivion by someone who claimed it was akin to a "nonrefundable deposit", was illegal, and I was breaking the law. I say it’s common courtesy, like it would be for me to clean a carpet after I move out. No one has ever objected. I didn’t think it was such a big deal to ask, but apparently some people do. Risking more flames here, I have to also testiify that cats don’t flush toys down the toilet, or color on the woodwork with magic marker, and don’t seem to pee on the carpet as much as children-in-potty-training do. Funny story, just happened this week though. I had to meet a plumber at one of the houses, the toilet was clogged. He found, in the pipes, an entire box of roofing nails. The tenants’ child was out chatting with us and watching. I asked "Did you flush nails down the toilet?" He looks at me with the biggest, loveliest eyes, and said, "Well, not *today.*" Sherry
LOL!!!! That’s pretty funny. Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thank you for being one of the rare landlords who, although you may not be thinking of animal welfare, nonetheless, advance it because you allow them residence. Who knows how many animals you have helped live because you are flexible and tolerant enough? And most of all, thank you for being decent, and a human being with a heart. Ginger-lyn and Richard and Cosmo, Internet, Sabra, Trill, Wolfie, Brando and Merlyn and in memory of Circe, Tiki, Geesha, Sonia and Mojo Thank you for being one of the rare landlords who, although you may not be thinking of animal welfare, nonetheless, advance it because you allow them residence. Who knows how many animals you have helped live because you are flexible and tolerant enough? And most of all, thank you for being decent, and a human being with a heart. Ginger-lyn
It’s hard to find a place here, or a nice one anyway, that allows pets. That’s wrong. Pets are part of the family, and pets belong indoors. The irresponsible people are the ones who make it hard for everyone. We have two rental homes in town. Pets are never a problem, and I don’t ask for a specific ”pet deposit." What I do, is ask the tenant to have the carpets cleaned after they leave, just like it was when they moved in. Verbal agreement. In all the years we’ve had that property, we have never hadd a problem with pets (children are another (plumbing) story). I mentioned this "method" on another group. I got flamed into oblivion by someone who claimed it was akin to a "nonrefundable deposit", was illegal, and I was breaking the law. I say it’s common courtesy, like it would be for me to clean a carpet after I move out. No one has ever objected. I didn’t think it was such a big deal to ask, but apparently some people do. Risking more flames here, I have to also testiify that cats don’t flush toys down the toilet, or color on the woodwork with magic marker, and don’t seem to pee on the carpet as much as children-in-potty-training do. Funny story, just happened this week though. I had to meet a plumber at one of the houses, the toilet was clogged. He found, in the pipes, an entire box of roofing nails. The tenants’ child was out chatting with us and watching. I asked "Did you flush nails down the toilet?" He looks at me with the biggest, loveliest eyes, and said, "Well, not *today.*" Sherry
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Ken, This is a public thank you to you, and to those like you, who are willing to take a risk, go against the grain, and allow tenants with pets. Over sixteen years ago, my ex-husband and I had four beautiful cats we loved dearly. Our building was bought, and we had to move. We knew finding a place where they would be allowed to live would be difficult. So many landlords do not want to rent to tenants with pets; there are so many concerns – some of them justifiable – about smells, and damage, and other difficulties. When I looked you in the eyes and asked "What about pets?" and you asked me what we had, I responded "Four cats". You didn’t blink an eye, and said simply "If I have to have the place fumigated when you leave, it will come out of your deposit." Fair enough. You were direct and truthful, and so was I. We moved in. Since then, those four beautiful, wonderful cats grew old and died of cancer, and kidney disease. I remarried. As time went on, we adopted others. Now we are seven cats and two humans, and each one is precious. Thank you for understanding. Thank you for knowing that we have seven cats, and at the very least tolerating it. Thank you for knowing that I do rescues sometimes, too, and tolerating that. Of course, some of the rescues have become part of our permanent family Thank you for being one of the rare landlords who, although you may not be thinking of animal welfare, nonetheless, advance it because you allow them residence. Who knows how many animals you have helped live because you are flexible and tolerant enough? And most of all, thank you for being decent, and a human being with a heart. Ginger-lyn and Richard and Cosmo, Internet, Sabra, Trill, Wolfie, Brando and Merlyn and in memory of Circe, Tiki, Geesha, Sonia and Mojo
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Thanks for correcting what could have bene misinturputed. I still can’t say that I agree with putting declawed cats and clawed cats together..sorry.. .. but probably if they are real lovey there won’t be problem. Rhonda x-no-archive: yes In any case, most of what I said still stands. I still don’t think a declawed cat can defend itself against a cat with all his claws. There might come a time when the clawed cat gets fed up and fights back, and the declawed cat will lose in an all out war. Cain: Also, I agree with most of what you said about introducing them s l o w l y. I still say, don’t leave them alone together until you know they get along. Oh yes, that almost goes without saying. Any animal introduction must be done slowly for the best results and they should never be left alone during the introduction phase. Even if the cat with no claws is trying to push the other cat with claws around.. he probably won’t do much damage to him. But if the clawed cat decides to not be scared and fight back, then there could be alot of damage.. I would never personally put a clawed cat and a declawed cat in the same indoor household. I think its a recipe for disaster, but thats my personal opinion. It’s just that I know it is possible for clawed and declawed cats to live in harmony if the introductions are done right. I have read in this group many times in the past that it’s possible. There have been people, from time to time, who have posted to say that their cat in residence is declawed and they have since become educated on declawing and don’t want to do it again and ask if it’s possible for clawed and declawed to live together. They have been told that it most definitely is possible. I have also seen people write in to say that they got their new kitten declawed because their older cat is declawed and thought that they had to do in order for the two to live together. Those people have been flamed to the high heavens and were told that is IS possible for clawed and declawed cats to live together and they should have asked first. My only concern here is that no one reading this thread get the 