Kidney Disease Support

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois — Burmese are like potato chips, you can’t just have one.

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth,

Purrs for Cleo’s successful op from us lot, who’ve BTDT. Gordon, Bandit, Snowball (& Raki who hasn’t)

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois — Burmese are like potato chips, you can’t just have one.

Lois, I have just seen this.   Ken must be so upset about Cleo.   But the good news has to be it is not kidney disease and the tooth should be able to be removed successfully. Purrs and good thoughts that Cleo will be OK.   Bev — Dogs may shed, but cats shred.

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois — Burmese are like potato chips, you can’t just have one.

It is definitely a better proposition than a lot of things. Purrs the procedure goes well.

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois — Purrs she comes through. Suz&Spicey

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Purrs for an easy surgery for Cleo and a quick recovery!  I’m sure she’ll feel much better after the tooth is removed. Debbie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois — Burmese are like potato chips, you can’t just have one.

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure.

Purrs that Cleo comes through the procedure with flying colors! Hugs, CatNipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Purrs Lois — Burmese are like potato chips, you can’t just have one.

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Purring and praying that Cleo comes through everything well. Lily & her mama Jazz, RB — Irulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure.

Sending extra purrs.  We’ve been there.  I’m never wild about cats and anesthesia, and the older or more exotic the cat, the more nervous it makes me.  But they have always been fine.  My vet share and understands my concerns and always calls me as soon as they are out from under to let me know it went well. Jo

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois

Purrs for Cleo’s dental procedure to go smoothly, and purrs, headbutts, and hugs for your jangled nerves. Purrs and Hugs, Nan

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure.

Purrs that Cleo come through her surgery just fine! Just been there with Mr. Pumpkin, who at the age of 14 had 4 teeth removed, what a wreck I was.  The purrs and prayers from the group helped a great deal.  Please be sure to let us know how Cleo is after her surgery and also how you are. Charleen Mr. Pumpkin Aggie Marble Victor Velcro

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois

"Purrs that Cleo will be fine…."   MLB

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Purrs on the way for Cleo. Ann — read Sam’s blog at http://kittens-3.blogspot.com/ see pictures of Sam at http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ann791/my_photos

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois

Purrs for Cleo, I’m glad a cause has been found, she will be fine soon. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois — Burmese are like potato chips, you can’t just have one.

 Purrs for a successful extraction for Cleo. If she’s in good health for her age, it should help her come through the procedure all right. I hope so! Melissa

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TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure.

   How did it go?  Fingers crossed that Cleo is A-OK.  Purrs coming.    Jeanne

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure.

Purrs on their way.  And my cats have just had a tin of tuna, so the purrs are really rather loud. — Mogget

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Best wishes and purrs for Cleo. Please let us know how she does.

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure.

Many purrs for Cleo’s surgery (probably too late, but purrs for her recovery, then). — Marina, Frank and Miranda. In loving memory of Nikki. marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure.

Glad to hear that the problem can be fixed. Purrs that all goes well and she recovers quickly. And of course purrs for her worried hoomins. — Steve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Spot with loving memories of Rocky (RB) Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html

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[[Back from seeing TED, Cleo has an abscessed tooth, TED gave her a good check over and said for her age she is in good nick, but the tooth has to come out, we left her there, somewhat reluctantly, TED will remove the tooth in the morning, not much sleep for us tonight, at her age it is probably a risky procedure. Purrs Lois]] I’m glad it’s something that TED can treat. Purrs continuing that her tooth extraction proceeds smoothly and that her recovery is rapid. Donna, Captain, and Stanley

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I’m so glad to hear Cleo will be ok. Lots of purrs and best wishes for the dental to go really well, — Polonca & Soncek

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now

Bless you and Jadee, Sue. She is up there playing with Champ and Darcy right now, at the Rainbow Bridge, pain free and with full dignity and grace. Bless you and heartfelt sympathies, Terri and, Luke, Taffy and Mojo

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Sue, I’m so sorry. Shammie doesn’t understand why I’m loving on her so much tonite, but she’s Jadee’s age and I couldn’t imagine loosing her so young. I know there’s a hole in your heart and I only hope that you will find solace in time and the memories of your sweet dear Jadee who blessed you life so much in her short time. You have a guardian angel to be with you always now. Bless you and may her spirit live on through your cherished memories of her. Susan Fraser SheBop and Shammie (and Seeker) Susan Fraser, owned and trained by HR BeBop a Lu SheBop, JH, SH and HR Shamma Lamma Ding Dong, JH, SH

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Sue….I am so sorry to hear about Jadee.I am sure she is with Indy and they are both playing together and are pain free.. Boy, this has been a really bad week. You are in our thoughts and prayers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Sue, I’m so sorry to hear of Jadee’s passing.  You know you did the best for her, and she will be waiting at the bridge for you, running happy and free in the soft green grass….. — Ruth Mays Beautiful Downtown Cinnaminson It’s important to keep an open mind, But not so open that your brains fall out.

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Darn it, Dorothy! Now I"m all weepy eyed thinking about Champ and Darcy. sniff Beautifiul poem and much appreciated. Every one of them deserve to be remembered.  Larger percentage than in the human race, if you ask me.  They are all that is good.

Oh yes. Now that you got me started…Lets’s remember Darcy, the GSD bitch from hell! BG! She took life on HER terms, damned to the humans! A rock eater and retriever, a "too smart for her own pants gal". Weened off the rocks to pine cones. A retriever of a firelog, coated with snow, barely able to drag it between her laigs. A bitch who used to stand there endlessly, waiting for a shovelfull of snow to fly her way to bite and kill. A bitch who was so impervious to pain, she once smacked her chest on a hidden tree stump chasing a pine cone that I didn’t even notice until 2 days later, when I felt the heat in her chest and realized she had a huge hemeotoma. (The ONLY time she ever snapped at a human, the Vet,  was when he drew some of the fluids out of her chest with a needle). Said same bitch who tore loose the entire ligaments in her back laig, and I didn’t even realize until I saw her limping., two days later. The same bitch that just barely got that cast off, and then tore the metal pins loose whilst she dug her way out of her pen, tearing the suture open and gleefully trotting her way down the driveway, blood flapping, wound ripped wide open, and not showing a sign of pain, while carrying a pinecone to give to "Dad". Ah, Darcy! How much you taught me; and I, you. I still am stunned at how much we learned from each other. I hope you are teaching those dogs up in the Rainbow Bridge how to find the "kong",even when it’s hidden away 15 feet or more, on the support beams or way up high on the 6 foot shelf behind the videos. Terri

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Oh Sue i’m so sorry.My thoughts are with you and we will be praying for you.Aaahhhrrroooo(Daisy also sends her love) Richelle and Daisy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Oh, Sue … Biscuit and I are crying buckets for you.  Just remember that Jadee is no longer in horrible pain and she knows the love you gave her is more than she could ask for. This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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    Ah Sue, my sympathies. Our thoughts are with you…

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now.

Sue, i’m so very sorry.  no matter how long we get with them, it’s never long enough.  it’s just not fair. big big hugs, shelly and elliott & harriet http://members.home.net/scouvrette/index/

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I’m so sorry Sue.  My condolences to you and your family.  Over time the hole in your heart will heal, though Leo has still left a pretty big crater in mine. buglady take out the dog before replying – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee

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Oh Sue, what devastating news.  Godspeed to the Bridge, dear Jadee. Look for my Kyle; he loves sweet girldoggies as long as they don’t want to hoard all the prizes. kindest regards, Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Ohh Sue: I’m  so sorry to hear about Jadee…you did everything imaginable for her and she was lucky to have you and you to have had her.  She’s still with you Sue and you with her she will be in your heart and ours safe flight angel. Karen P.S. Sue please keep in touch and let us know how your doing…we are here for you…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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I am sorry to hear this, Sue. My thoughts go out for you all the way from Norway. I have been hoping this was going to work out, but someone didn’t hear my prayers. Kari Anne.

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Very sorry for your loss :( Dogstar716 Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html "AKC papers do not mean you are getting a quality dog. They are merely a birth certificate. Even puppy mill pet shop pups have AKC papers" – Bob Maida

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Sue, Sorry to hear about Jadee losing the fight…<sob We also "lost" a dog to illness – Shadow was the loveliest girl – and I’m sure she and Jadee are playing up a storm on the other side!! My deepest sympathy in your time of grief..<choke Remember Jadee fondly… Tracey D. PS… Rastus, Woosie, and Zeddy send their sympathy too… T.

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Sue, Try to think of fond memories and that may get you through this time. I know how you feel because I’ve been there.  Jadee will see my puppy angel. Marie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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This morning we lost Jadee. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel

Dear Sue, Please accept my condolences on the loss of your beloved Jadee. Is there some charity for which a contribution in memory of dear Jadee would be most appropriate? –Marshall Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of                http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for myself, what am I?" The Talmud

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. I’m so sorry.  The only words that I can pass along are the ones I passed to Shawn all too recently.  I’m glad Jadee is at peace, now.  You are brave, honorable, and responsible owners.  IF IT SHOULD BE  If it should be that I grow weak,  And pain should keep me from my sleep,  Then you must do what should be done  For this last battle can’t be won.  You will be sad I understand,  Don’t let your grief then stay your hand,  For this day more than all the rest  Your love for me must stand the test.  We had so many happy years  What is to come can hold no fears,  You’d not want me to suffer so  The time has come, please let me go.  Take me where my needs they’ll tend  And please stay with me till the end,  Hold me firm and speak to me  Until my eyes no longer see.  I know in time that you will see  The kindness that you do for me,  Although my tail its last has waved  From pain and suffering I’ve been saved.  Please do not grieve, it must be you  Who has this painful thing to do,  We’ve been so close these many years  Don’t let your heart hold back its tears.

Darn it, Dorothy! Now I"m all weepy eyed thinking about Champ and Darcy. sniff Beautifiul poem and much appreciated. Terri

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now.

I am very sorry to hear of your loss. –Terri

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You did everything that you possibly could have. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.

  Matt is so right, Sue.  Both you and Jadee fought bravely.  You have nothing to regret — which doesn’t help much, I know.   We all feel your loss keenly.

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So sorry, Sue.  Life can be pretty rotten sometimes. Christine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Very sorry to hear of your loss. JohnR Pit Bull Libertarian Never sneer at the power of a little pink squeaky toy!

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This morning we lost Jadee.

I’m so sorry Sue.  You did everything that you possibly could have. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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    Oh (((((((Sue)))))))))) I am so sorry to hear about Jadee.     Over the all this time, I feel as if I’ve some to know you and her very well, and the loss has me in tears, I can’t imagine what *you* and your husband must be going thru.     I love this place so much, for the wonderful sharing of our experiences and stories. And yet, at times like this I sorta wish I didn’t come as often or get as involved, but really, deep down I’m glad. For I’ve had the chance to know you and Jadee, along with the many many others here, whose dogs have passed, the ones that are suffering and yet others, that are still here, happy and healthy. And we all know you and she put up a fight….right til the end. You did all you possibly could to give her a happy and very loving home.     But it hurts, every time I hear about another one of *ours* leaving us. Know we will all have you in our prayers tonite, and for awhile. She is at peace….just doesn’t seem to cut it. But know she will be missed, by more than just your family. Love to you and yours, MaryBeth

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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I am so sorry! I know exactly how you are feeling right now                                                               Shawn

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My sincerest condolences…  I’m coming up on the year anniversary of my Max’s crossing of the bridge…  the pain eventually subsides and the memories remain. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Same here I did not want to open the Subject line on this post either. Yesterday while cleaning Buster’s ears and he was being very uncooperative, he calmed down after telling him that Jadee probably didn’t act this way. God bless Jadee and Sue, you two have touched our hearts and nothing said now can lighten yours. Greg and Buster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, Sue. My heart sank when I saw the subject, I don’t know why – no exclamations, no smileys maybe. What a lucky, lucky Jadee.  I hope when it is my time to go I am surrounded by love and compassion the way she was.  You have been wonderful for her. Leslie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. I’m so sorry.  The only words that I can pass along are the ones I passed to Shawn all too recently.  I’m glad Jadee is at peace, now.  You are brave, honorable, and responsible owners.  IF IT SHOULD BE  If it should be that I grow weak,  And pain should keep me from my sleep,  Then you must do what should be done  For this last battle can’t be won.  You will be sad I understand,  Don’t let your grief then stay your hand,  For this day more than all the rest  Your love for me must stand the test.  We had so many happy years  What is to come can hold no fears,  You’d not want me to suffer so  The time has come, please let me go.  Take me where my needs they’ll tend  And please stay with me till the end,  Hold me firm and speak to me  Until my eyes no longer see.  I know in time that you will see  The kindness that you do for me,  Although my tail its last has waved  From pain and suffering I’ve been saved.  Please do not grieve, it must be you  Who has this painful thing to do,  We’ve been so close these many years  Don’t let your heart hold back its tears.

Darn it, Dorothy! Now I"m all weepy eyed thinking about Champ and Darcy. sniff Beautifiul poem and much appreciated. Terri

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now

Bless you and Jadee, Sue. She is up there playing with Champ and Darcy right now, at the Rainbow Bridge, pain free and with full dignity and grace. Bless you and heartfelt sympathies, Terri and, Luke, Taffy and Mojo

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Oh, Sue. My heart sank when I saw the subject, I don’t know why – no exclamations, no smileys maybe. What a lucky, lucky Jadee.  I hope when it is my time to go I am surrounded by love and compassion the way she was.  You have been wonderful for her. Leslie

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Oh, Sue. My heart sank when I saw the subject, I don’t know why – no exclamations, no smileys maybe. What a lucky, lucky Jadee.  I hope when it is my time to go I am surrounded by love and compassion the way she was.  You have been wonderful for her. Leslie

Sorry to interject like this but I never received the earlier posts. Sue, please take my condolences as well. It’s always a real bummer, isn’t it? Morag – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Darn it, Dorothy! Now I"m all weepy eyed thinking about Champ and Darcy. sniff Beautifiul poem and much appreciated. Every one of them deserve to be remembered.  Larger percentage than in the human race, if you ask me.  They are all that is good.

Oh yes. Now that you got me started…Lets’s remember Darcy, the GSD bitch from hell! BG! She took life on HER terms, damned to the humans! A rock eater and retriever, a "too smart for her own pants gal". Weened off the rocks to pine cones. A retriever of a firelog, coated with snow, barely able to drag it between her laigs. A bitch who used to stand there endlessly, waiting for a shovelfull of snow to fly her way to bite and kill. A bitch who was so impervious to pain, she once smacked her chest on a hidden tree stump chasing a pine cone that I didn’t even notice until 2 days later, when I felt the heat in her chest and realized she had a huge hemeotoma. (The ONLY time she ever snapped at a human, the Vet,  was when he drew some of the fluids out of her chest with a needle). Said same bitch who tore loose the entire ligaments in her back laig, and I didn’t even realize until I saw her limping., two days later. The same bitch that just barely got that cast off, and then tore the metal pins loose whilst she dug her way out of her pen, tearing the suture open and gleefully trotting her way down the driveway, blood flapping, wound ripped wide open, and not showing a sign of pain, while carrying a pinecone to give to "Dad". Ah, Darcy! How much you taught me; and I, you. I still am stunned at how much we learned from each other. I hope you are teaching those dogs up in the Rainbow Bridge how to find the "kong",even when it’s hidden away 15 feet or more, on the support beams or way up high on the 6 foot shelf behind the videos. Terri

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Sue….I am so sorry to hear about Jadee.I am sure she is with Indy and they are both playing together and are pain free.. Boy, this has been a really bad week. You are in our thoughts and prayers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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    Ah Sue, my sympathies. Our thoughts are with you…

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now.

Sue, i’m so very sorry.  no matter how long we get with them, it’s never long enough.  it’s just not fair. big big hugs, shelly and elliott & harriet http://members.home.net/scouvrette/index/

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Sue, Sorry to hear about Jadee losing the fight…<sob We also "lost" a dog to illness – Shadow was the loveliest girl – and I’m sure she and Jadee are playing up a storm on the other side!! My deepest sympathy in your time of grief..<choke Remember Jadee fondly… Tracey D. PS… Rastus, Woosie, and Zeddy send their sympathy too… T.

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Sue, Try to think of fond memories and that may get you through this time. I know how you feel because I’ve been there.  Jadee will see my puppy angel. Marie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Oh, Sue … Biscuit and I are crying buckets for you.  Just remember that Jadee is no longer in horrible pain and she knows the love you gave her is more than she could ask for. This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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I am so sorry for your loss. You are in my thoughts. Gina

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Oh Sue i’m so sorry.My thoughts are with you and we will be praying for you.Aaahhhrrroooo(Daisy also sends her love) Richelle and Daisy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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So sorry, Sue.  Life can be pretty rotten sometimes. Christine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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I’m so sorry Sue.  My condolences to you and your family.  Over time the hole in your heart will heal, though Leo has still left a pretty big crater in mine. buglady take out the dog before replying – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee

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Ohh Sue: I’m  so sorry to hear about Jadee…you did everything imaginable for her and she was lucky to have you and you to have had her.  She’s still with you Sue and you with her she will be in your heart and ours safe flight angel. Karen P.S. Sue please keep in touch and let us know how your doing…we are here for you…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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This morning we lost Jadee.

I’m so sorry Sue.  You did everything that you possibly could have. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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    Oh (((((((Sue)))))))))) I am so sorry to hear about Jadee.     Over the all this time, I feel as if I’ve some to know you and her very well, and the loss has me in tears, I can’t imagine what *you* and your husband must be going thru.     I love this place so much, for the wonderful sharing of our experiences and stories. And yet, at times like this I sorta wish I didn’t come as often or get as involved, but really, deep down I’m glad. For I’ve had the chance to know you and Jadee, along with the many many others here, whose dogs have passed, the ones that are suffering and yet others, that are still here, happy and healthy. And we all know you and she put up a fight….right til the end. You did all you possibly could to give her a happy and very loving home.     But it hurts, every time I hear about another one of *ours* leaving us. Know we will all have you in our prayers tonite, and for awhile. She is at peace….just doesn’t seem to cut it. But know she will be missed, by more than just your family. Love to you and yours, MaryBeth

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Sue,  I am so sorry for your loss of Jadee. You  and yours are in my prayers tonight… Rose

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I am so sorry! I know exactly how you are feeling right now                                                               Shawn

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My sincerest condolences…  I’m coming up on the year anniversary of my Max’s crossing of the bridge…  the pain eventually subsides and the memories remain. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Same here I did not want to open the Subject line on this post either. Yesterday while cleaning Buster’s ears and he was being very uncooperative, he calmed down after telling him that Jadee probably didn’t act this way. God bless Jadee and Sue, you two have touched our hearts and nothing said now can lighten yours. Greg and Buster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, Sue. My heart sank when I saw the subject, I don’t know why – no exclamations, no smileys maybe. What a lucky, lucky Jadee.  I hope when it is my time to go I am surrounded by love and compassion the way she was.  You have been wonderful for her. Leslie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. I’m so sorry.  The only words that I can pass along are the ones I passed to Shawn all too recently.  I’m glad Jadee is at peace, now.  You are brave, honorable, and responsible owners.  IF IT SHOULD BE  If it should be that I grow weak,  And pain should keep me from my sleep,  Then you must do what should be done  For this last battle can’t be won.  You will be sad I understand,  Don’t let your grief then stay your hand,  For this day more than all the rest  Your love for me must stand the test.  We had so many happy years  What is to come can hold no fears,  You’d not want me to suffer so  The time has come, please let me go.  Take me where my needs they’ll tend  And please stay with me till the end,  Hold me firm and speak to me  Until my eyes no longer see.  I know in time that you will see  The kindness that you do for me,  Although my tail its last has waved  From pain and suffering I’ve been saved.  Please do not grieve, it must be you  Who has this painful thing to do,  We’ve been so close these many years  Don’t let your heart hold back its tears.

Darn it, Dorothy! Now I"m all weepy eyed thinking about Champ and Darcy. sniff Beautifiul poem and much appreciated. Terri

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now

Bless you and Jadee, Sue. She is up there playing with Champ and Darcy right now, at the Rainbow Bridge, pain free and with full dignity and grace. Bless you and heartfelt sympathies, Terri and, Luke, Taffy and Mojo

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Oh, Sue. My heart sank when I saw the subject, I don’t know why – no exclamations, no smileys maybe. What a lucky, lucky Jadee.  I hope when it is my time to go I am surrounded by love and compassion the way she was.  You have been wonderful for her. Leslie

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Oh, Sue. My heart sank when I saw the subject, I don’t know why – no exclamations, no smileys maybe. What a lucky, lucky Jadee.  I hope when it is my time to go I am surrounded by love and compassion the way she was.  You have been wonderful for her. Leslie

Sorry to interject like this but I never received the earlier posts. Sue, please take my condolences as well. It’s always a real bummer, isn’t it? Morag – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Darn it, Dorothy! Now I"m all weepy eyed thinking about Champ and Darcy. sniff Beautifiul poem and much appreciated. Every one of them deserve to be remembered.  Larger percentage than in the human race, if you ask me.  They are all that is good.

Oh yes. Now that you got me started…Lets’s remember Darcy, the GSD bitch from hell! BG! She took life on HER terms, damned to the humans! A rock eater and retriever, a "too smart for her own pants gal". Weened off the rocks to pine cones. A retriever of a firelog, coated with snow, barely able to drag it between her laigs. A bitch who used to stand there endlessly, waiting for a shovelfull of snow to fly her way to bite and kill. A bitch who was so impervious to pain, she once smacked her chest on a hidden tree stump chasing a pine cone that I didn’t even notice until 2 days later, when I felt the heat in her chest and realized she had a huge hemeotoma. (The ONLY time she ever snapped at a human, the Vet,  was when he drew some of the fluids out of her chest with a needle). Said same bitch who tore loose the entire ligaments in her back laig, and I didn’t even realize until I saw her limping., two days later. The same bitch that just barely got that cast off, and then tore the metal pins loose whilst she dug her way out of her pen, tearing the suture open and gleefully trotting her way down the driveway, blood flapping, wound ripped wide open, and not showing a sign of pain, while carrying a pinecone to give to "Dad". Ah, Darcy! How much you taught me; and I, you. I still am stunned at how much we learned from each other. I hope you are teaching those dogs up in the Rainbow Bridge how to find the "kong",even when it’s hidden away 15 feet or more, on the support beams or way up high on the 6 foot shelf behind the videos. Terri

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Sue….I am so sorry to hear about Jadee.I am sure she is with Indy and they are both playing together and are pain free.. Boy, this has been a really bad week. You are in our thoughts and prayers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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    Ah Sue, my sympathies. Our thoughts are with you…

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now.

Sue, i’m so very sorry.  no matter how long we get with them, it’s never long enough.  it’s just not fair. big big hugs, shelly and elliott & harriet http://members.home.net/scouvrette/index/

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Sue, Sorry to hear about Jadee losing the fight…<sob We also "lost" a dog to illness – Shadow was the loveliest girl – and I’m sure she and Jadee are playing up a storm on the other side!! My deepest sympathy in your time of grief..<choke Remember Jadee fondly… Tracey D. PS… Rastus, Woosie, and Zeddy send their sympathy too… T.

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Sue, Try to think of fond memories and that may get you through this time. I know how you feel because I’ve been there.  Jadee will see my puppy angel. Marie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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Oh, Sue … Biscuit and I are crying buckets for you.  Just remember that Jadee is no longer in horrible pain and she knows the love you gave her is more than she could ask for. This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

– Juli Jer .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._ Dogs and hedgehogs .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._

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I am so sorry for your loss. You are in my thoughts. Gina

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Oh Sue i’m so sorry.My thoughts are with you and we will be praying for you.Aaahhhrrroooo(Daisy also sends her love) Richelle and Daisy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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So sorry, Sue.  Life can be pretty rotten sometimes. Christine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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I’m so sorry Sue.  My condolences to you and your family.  Over time the hole in your heart will heal, though Leo has still left a pretty big crater in mine. buglady take out the dog before replying – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee

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Ohh Sue: I’m  so sorry to hear about Jadee…you did everything imaginable for her and she was lucky to have you and you to have had her.  She’s still with you Sue and you with her she will be in your heart and ours safe flight angel. Karen P.S. Sue please keep in touch and let us know how your doing…we are here for you…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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This is the hardest post I’ve ever sent.  I’m sorry for the cross post. Please uncross replies. This morning we lost Jadee. Her blood transfusions were only lasting about 3 days, and the kidney disease finally took over her body. It was obvious we couldn’t continue. Harold came to the house and helped Jadee find the peace she so desperately deserved. She is at peace now. Sue and Jadee, the newest angel remove __ to email

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This morning we lost Jadee.

I’m so sorry Sue.  You did everything that you possibly could have. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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    Oh (((((((Sue)))))))))) I am so sorry to hear about Jadee.     Over the all this time, I feel as if I’ve some to know you and her very well, and the loss has me in tears, I can’t imagine what *you* and your husband must be going thru.     I love this place so much, for the wonderful sharing of our experiences and stories. And yet, at times like this I sorta wish I didn’t come as often or get as involved, but really, deep down I’m glad. For I’ve had the chance to know you and Jadee, along with the many many others here, whose dogs have passed, the ones that are suffering and yet others, that are still here, happy and healthy. And we all know you and she put up a fight….right til the end. You did all you possibly could to give her a happy and very loving home.     But it hurts, every time I hear about another one of *ours* leaving us. Know we will all have you in our prayers tonite, and for awhile. She is at peace….just doesn’t seem to cut it. But know she will be missed, by more than just your family. Love to you and yours, MaryBeth

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Sue,  I am so sorry for your loss of Jadee. You  and yours are in my prayers tonight… Rose

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Perhaps trying other dog foods or supplementing with garlic and yeast (tablets esp. for dogs), I don’t know how to fix it because I’ve never had the problem.  My dog also gets lots of leftovers and eats/begs for any salty foods.  THen she drinks lots of water.  Who knows. -Mera. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: Ruth:  I have two black labs that have both been spayed and they still kill the grass.  I have yet to find anything that combats this situation, although I have noticed that one of my dogs drinks alot more water than the other and doesn’t kill the grass as fast.  Guess the concentration of acid has something to do with it. If anyone has a sure fire cure, I’d sure be delighted to know about it. Thye only sure fire cure is to keep a bucket of water handy and immediately pour it on the effected area to dilute the dog’s urine. Once it’s been absorbed by the ground and on it’s way to the grass anything else is just a bandaid. — Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company   |  (804)864-6356 Voice Hypersonic AirBreathing Propulsion Branch |  (804)864-6242 Fax NASA Langley Research Center              |

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  Ruth:  I have two black labs that have both been spayed and they   still   kill the grass.  I have yet to find anything that combats this   situation,   although I have noticed that one of my dogs drinks alot more water   than   the other and doesn’t kill the grass as fast.  Guess the   concentration   of acid has something to do with it.     If anyone has a sure fire cure, I’d sure be delighted to know about   it.     Robin If you insist on giving your dogs water, You can get on of those camel backs that allow bicyclists to drink water while they are riding.  Catheterizing your dogs is about the only way to keep them from peeing unless you wanna become one of those urban dog walkers and teach your dog to hold it until you are ready to go for a walk.

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Has she been spayed?  My spayed female doesn’t bother the grass, but my sister’s visiting unspayed female left me some patches.   Ruth Ruth:  I have two black labs that have both been spayed and they still kill the grass.  I have yet to find anything that combats this situation, although I have n Robin

Hello????  Am I lost, or something???  What does "fixing" your dog have to do with where they decide to urinate?  My 4yr old lab is spayed and she goes where she wants.  If she has time, she goes to the woods (good girl).  If I’ve been out for a while and she really has to go…. she goes right outside the door… on the lawn! (my fault) Now, if a dog is fixed (more so male than female) it may keep them from wandering about the city in search of a mate, but they would probaly still pee where ever they can.  Now that they are fixed and don’t wander, there is a greater chance of them going in your yard, rather than at the empty lot down the street. If you know of any other reason why a spayed dog does not pee on grass, I’d love to hear it, I’ll bet there is some $$ to be had there.  Just imagine… saving the green lawns and keeping dog populations in control in onw fell swoop! David

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[snip] DP If you know of any other reason why a spayed dog does not pee on grass, DP I’d DP love to hear it, I’ll bet there is some $$ to be had there.  Just DP imagine… DP saving the green lawns and keeping dog populations in control in onw fell DP swoop! DP David I’m the personal who originally asked if her dog was spayed or not.  It isn’t scientific, but almost all the female dogs I know who are spayed don’t leave spots.  Unspayed female dogs that I know do.  Most of the male dogs I know aren’t fixed and leave rings.   I was curious and just testing a hypothesis. The few spayed females I know that leave rings were spayed later in life.  It just makes me wonder if there is any connection. Ruth      __             ___        __

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Hello????  Am I lost, or something???  What does "fixing" your dog have to do with where they decide to urinate?

(some snipping) David David: You are indeed lost.  The point wasn’t whether they go *on* the grass, but rather if spaying them keeps the urine from *killing* the grass. Unfortunately, it doesn’t. (Enter two spayed black labs and a non- existent backyard lawn.) Grassless in Chicago, Robin

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In my previous message about training dogs to use sandbox–I forgot to mention:  LAVISH PRAISE when your dog goes to the bathroom in the pen!      —Cankapopa Wi

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Ruth: just mak

es me wonder if there is any connection. My dog is spayed and leaves rings.  The funny thing is that in early spring, the lawn is crazy for her.  The grass grows greener and thicker there than anywhere else on the lawn.  In the summer, however, she burns it bad.  She is my second dog.  My first (spayed) did the same.  The killer would be the high acidity of urine.  A *drastic* change in diet may create a lower acidity, but would also harm the dog.  I would doubt any correlation to being fixed, but hey who knows. BTW:  My 3 Year Old nephew has/had a nasty habit of outdoor relief sessions and killed some of his mothers perrenials when he was helping her "Water the garden"  ; )  Damn… kids are cute! David

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I solved this problem by training my two German Shepherds (male and spayed female) to use a sandbox I made for them in a corner of the yard.  It takes some time in the beginning, and some effort on your part.  I took them out on leash every time they needed to go outside at first.  If they started to go somewhere in the grass, I sternly gave a loud "No" and took them over to the pen or sandbox.  It’s a lot like housebreaking.  Grass doesn’t die and easy to clean up–no more worrying you’ll step in a mess. It helps to give a verbal command when they go–valuable for those times you want them to hurry up and get their business over with…dogs, like children, seem to dally when you are in a hurry for something.  Hope this helps you.      —Cankapopa Wi

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Ruth:  I have two black labs that have both been spayed and they still kill the grass.  I have yet to find anything that combats this situation, although I have noticed that one of my dogs drinks alot more water than the other and doesn’t kill the grass as fast.  Guess the concentration of acid has something to do with it. If anyone has a sure fire cure, I’d sure be delighted to know about it.

Thye only sure fire cure is to keep a bucket of water handy and immediately pour it on the effected area to dilute the dog’s urine. Once it’s been absorbed by the ground and on it’s way to the grass anything else is just a bandaid. — Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company   |  (804)864-6356 Voice Hypersonic AirBreathing Propulsion Branch |  (804)864-6242 Fax NASA Langley Research Center              |

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If anyone has a sure fire cure, I’d sure be delighted to know about it.

I can give you a sure fire cure if you want to go through the effort… All you have to do is hose down the spot that the dog — eh, watered. You really don’t have to be *too* religious about it. You don’t have to do it immediately and you don’t have to do it every time.   Rufus’ Packer WWW Page: http://www.fullfeed.com/heim/www/rufus.html

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DM Does anyone have any suggestions for keeping my grass green AND keeping my DM dog? She is female and KILLS my grass. Has she been spayed?  My spayed female doesn’t bother the grass, but my sister’s visiting unspayed female left me some patches.   Ruth      __             ___        __

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DM Does anyone have any suggestions for keeping my grass green AND keeping my DM dog? She is female and KILLS my grass. Has she been spayed?  My spayed female doesn’t bother the grass, but my sister’s visiting unspayed female left me some patches.   Ruth

Ruth:  I have two black labs that have both been spayed and they still kill the grass.  I have yet to find anything that combats this situation, although I have noticed that one of my dogs drinks alot more water than the other and doesn’t kill the grass as fast.  Guess the concentration of acid has something to do with it. If anyone has a sure fire cure, I’d sure be delighted to know about it. Robin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Md) writes: Does anyone have any suggestions for keeping my grass green AND keeping my dog? She is female and KILLS my grass. Thanks Dave I have the same problem. I have heard that it has to do with an excess of fertilizer, i.e., it only happens on well fertilized lawns or that it has to do with something in female I don’t think it has much to do w/ the sex of the dog.  My dog is male and kills the grass dead, dead, dead!  Fortunately I have a wooded area next door and it is not too difficult to make him go there. James

I have the same problem with my two females, I find that with my dogs that the first ‘outing’ of the morning does the most damage because (me thinks)of more protein.So I just water it down really well but I would like an easier solution unfortunatly I don’t think there is one!:( Louise

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I don’t think it has much to do w/ the sex of the dog.  My dog is male and kills the grass dead, dead, dead!  Fortunately I have a wooded area next door and it is not too difficult to make him go there. James.

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Does anyone have any suggestions for keeping my grass green AND keeping my dog? She is female and KILLS my grass. Thanks Dave

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Does anyone have any suggestions for keeping my grass green AND keeping my dog? She is female and KILLS my grass. Thanks Dave

I have the same problem. I have heard that it has to do with an excess of fertilizer, i.e., it only happens on well fertilized lawns or that it has to do with something in female dog urine. I assume it also has something to do with type of grass.  When the dog goes out in the morning, we often  follow it with a hose and dilute the puddle.  I have also reset the sprinkler system so the system goes off where the dog goes shortly after we let her out. This latter step has cut the burn rate down considerably.  I also bought a strip of marathon 2e sod and planted it in a corner of the garden. Marathon doesn’t spread so this is not as dangerous as it sounds. Every week, I cut out any dead area that might have arisen and replace it with a piece of the sod.  In the front yard, we have Marathon 2e. In the back, jaguar(sp?).  We have the same problems in both places. In our previous house with the same dog, we had no problems at all. We had a mixture of bermuda and whatever the wind blew in and nothing could harm it. We rarely fertilized the bermuda, but fertilize the Marathon, et.al., regularly. Anyway, good luck, and if you find the ultimate solution, let me know Hal

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I heard on a HGTV program that adding a couple of tablespoons of tomato juice to a dog’s water bowl can neutralize their urine so that it doesn’t kill grass.

Er, think about this a bit. Urine is acidic, tomato juice is acidic. So all you’re doing is applying more acid on top of acid, which will still burn the grass. You need to apply an acidic nuetralizer, not another acidic compound.  Also, one other thing to think about is: If you’re there while you see your dog urinating & to know where to apply the juice, it’s just as easy to apply water, which will dilute and neutralize the spot, eh? Terri I don’t speak for HP and they don’t speak for me.

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I heard on a HGTV program that adding a couple of tablespoons of tomato juice to a dog’s water bowl can neutralize their urine so that it doesn’t kill grass. Has anyone ever heard of/tried this?

It won’t work.  Urine kills grass because it is highly acid and high in salts. Chris Owens

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There is a pill that fed to a dog will neutralize the urine.  Foster and Smith sell it I believe. Actually urine is a good fertilizer and if immediately diluted will not only not harm the grass but will be beneficial.

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I have very large dogs, and a relatively small lawn area (too many ornamentals), so am familiar with this problem and its alleged solutions. The tomato juice solution– adds TONS of sodium to yor dogs system, thus increasing his water consumption, thus diluting his urine. Damaging to the dog. Food supplements that alter the natural ph of your dogs system are also detrimental to your dogs health. Two practical solutions exist- teach the dogs to go to one area that is out of the way, or immediately hose in the urine. I use the hose in method- it quickly becomes habit, and I’m out there to scoop anyway. I have managed this way for years, and have healthy dogs and NO urine burn. For a more technical discussion, go to DOG-ON-IT LAWN PROBLEMS http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/turf/Dog_lawn_problem… Toni www.irish-wolfhounds.com

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Thanks to everyone who replied.  (I feel like sending these posts to HGTV so that they are better informed!) Cheryl

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My dog is five and a half years old and I have attempted many different remedies to this problem including the tomato juice solution, adding lime and gypsum to the lawn, etc., etc.  Late last summer I found some brewers yeast and garlic tablets which someone on the newsgroup had recommended.  They have, finally, solved the problem for me – as long as I remember to give them to my dog every day.  This is a bit of a problem because she doesn’t like them and she is supposed to have seven a day. I found these tablets at the Petsmart store.  The manufacturer is Pet Organics and they are very inexpensive – 1000 tablets for about $7.

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I found a spray in "Doctors Foster & Smith Catalog" that is supposed to help.  You spray it on where they go and it is supposed to stop it. It’s called Dogonit Lawn Treatment.  I haven’t tried it.  I still need to find something that I can get to grow here in this sandy soil and stand up to dog traffic and medium shade and drought. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dog is five and a half years old and I have attempted many different remedies to this problem including the tomato juice solution, adding lime and gypsum to the lawn, etc., etc.  Late last summer I found some brewers yeast and garlic tablets which someone on the newsgroup had recommended.  They have, finally, solved the problem for me – as long as I remember to give them to my dog every day.  This is a bit of a problem because she doesn’t like them and she is supposed to have seven a day. I found these tablets at the Petsmart store.  The manufacturer is Pet Organics and they are very inexpensive – 1000 tablets for about $7.

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There is a pill that fed to a dog will neutralize the urine.  Foster and Smith sell it I believe.

This is the brewers yeast and garlic pill mentioned else where in this thread. Garlic is or no use for anything in animal or human health. Brewers yeast is a by product or that industry, and until they decided to try and market it for various remedies it was dumped into the river. It does have some B1 but dogs produce more of this than they need so more is of no use.. Actually urine is a good fertilizer and if immediately diluted will not only not harm the grass but will be beneficial.

Read the thread and you came the closest to getting it right. Mammals eliminate nitrogen through their urine. If you are over fertilizing your yard it takes very little more to burn [ and often kill ] the grass. Conversely if you see where the dog has urinated turning the grass greener and growing taller you need more nitrogen in your soil. You can often see this in the wild and in poor soil pastures. One more consideration , which is not common, is if your dog is suffering from sever kidney disease she may be shedding excessive nitrogen wastes and burning grass more than normal. Why did I say she? Females urinate in the middle of the yard so you see this burn. Males usually urinate on trees, fences, [peoples legs] and not apt to kill grass. Summation: you are killing the grass by how much you add to yard – it is not the dogs fault. tonga

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Yes, my grandmother would always follow the dog around the yard and pour water where the dog had urinated. She hardly ever had any brown spots. There is also stuff you can buy at the hardware or garden store made specifically for urine spots on the lawn. Allyson

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I heard adding yeast to a diet can help this, too. As for the grass spots.  Return the proper ph to the spot with a sprinkling of dry soap, limestone pellets, and gypsum pellets. Theresa Wash. State

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I heard on a HGTV program that adding a couple of tablespoons of tomato juice to a dog’s water bowl can neutralize their urine so that it doesn’t kill grass. Has anyone ever heard of/tried this? Cheryl delete"nospam"

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I hope so, our vet told us that tomatoe products was one of the few human food products that a dog’s system can tolerate. I know it works on skunk urine, at least for the smell. Can’t say about the acid content. tom kan pa

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Are brazil nuts radioactive? Depends on where they are grown/harvested.  In {snipped} Reminds me of those whacko radioactive Washington wheat rumors spawned by the existence if the Hanford reactor.  I think it is stories like these that spawn the fear of irradiated food even though the result of such processing has no radioactivity at all.

Food for thought (ahem…) Even though properly irradiated food shouldn’t be considered ‘radioactive’, it may be considered unsafe enough to justify some fear. The following excerpted from www.irradiation.com/food.htm : "Q. If food is not made radioactive, then why is it not safe? A. When food is irradiated the radiation breaks up the molecular structure of the food and creates a whole new set of chemicals known as "unique radiolytic products" (URPs). These URPs include benzene, formaldehyde and a host of known mutagens and carcinogens. Irradiation kills vitamins, friendly bacteria and enzymes, effectively rendering the food "dead" and therefore useless to your body.  In addition, some of the friendly bacteria that is killed produces odors indicating spoilage and some friendly bacteria naturally control the growth of harmful bacteria. Q. Have there been studies of the health consequences of food irradiation? A. Yes, hundreds. However the FDA only sites 5 of those studies in their push to irradiate, and some of those studies have since been proven flawed.  Short term studies were done on children in India, and blood tests showed chromosomal damage to the children after 6 weeks.  Short term tests were done on dogs using irradiated beef;  the dogs ended up with enlarged spleens and swollen lymph nodes. Other studies,  including those done under contract for the U.S. Government indicate the possibility of immunotoxicity,  kidney disease, cardiac thrombus,  testicular damage and fibroplasia." There are many more facets (pro and con) to the issue of irradiation.  If this concerns you enough to have an opinion, do some more reading on it before making up your mind.  I personally avoid irradiated foods – seems like an un-necessarily risky way of sanitizing food.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are brazil nuts radioactive? Depends on where they are grown/harvested.  In certain parts of brazil, there are extreme concentrations of thorium (possibly polonium, too) in the soil.   The tree’s and thus the nuts pick up higher concentrations of these, than normal.  *How* radioactive?  Well, not quite as radioactive as Coleman Lantern mantles (unburnt), and nothing like the soil itself the tree/nuts grew in.   In the lab, you can detect mantles or soil, with a hand-held beta-gamma probe, the nuts take a bit more sensitive analysis.   Tobacco in cigarettes has polonium in it, too, but that’s another thread… Bill"Don’t eat those nuts near the reactor! "Ziegler

Reminds me of those whacko radioactive Washington wheat rumors spawned by the existence if the Hanford reactor.  I think it is stories like these that spawn the fear of irradiated food even though the result of such processing has no radioactivity at all.

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I have a dsh ginger tabby..  who has been a wonderful cat.. healthy.. affectionate… however, now he is 14 and starting to look more than a little scruffy…  he’s lost weight.. and is not grooming as much as in the old days..   I know this is fairly common for older cats.. but I’m hoping to make the next couple of years as easy for him as I can… he was a recue cat and quite fierce..  had taken some abuse before I adopted him..  (I’ve posted about him here before – a long time ago) and has always refused to allow any teeth care.. so he is starting to loose his teeth..  I thought before christmas that was the reason he was loosing so much weight.. that he was having trouble eating..  but he seems to be doing ok now.. I’ve watched him eat .. and he seems to manage quite well…. I took him to a vet..  so see if she had any ideas .. and her only offer of help as a $200 panel of tests that "might" show if he’s in some kind of organ failure..  and quite frankly.. thats completely beyond my budget at this time..  there is just no way I can come up with that… however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..  special diets that have worked, etc…. I’d be glad for any advice… Helen delete spam protection from email address to reply by email

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Helen, If I were you, I’d discuss a payment plan with your vet.  If she’s a good vet, she’ll do the tests and let you make payments on them.  These tests can show how all your cat’s organs are functioning.  If you want to make his last years easy, you can do that by finding out what’s wrong and treating the problem.  AFAIK, the only way to do that is to have the tests done.  Your vet is giving you good advice — please try to take it.  Just think of all the happiness your faithful pet has given you.  Now it’s your turn to give back.  Here’s to many more healthy, happy years for your kitty.  :3  BTW, I completely understand how vet bills can be overwhelming, but they are worth it in the long run. Eva, Chick & Mickey (and those d*gs)

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This isn’t a recommendation of a special diet, but after my Meatloaf was diagnosed with failing kidneys at 17, he still lived another 18 months. I just made him as comfortable as possible–made sure he always had a heating pad to lie on–right next to the heating vent, which he loved leaning against when it was going. I made sure that his place was low to the ground, because he had a harder and harder time getting up and down.  When it got hard for him to walk around much, I moved his bowls right by his bed.  At the end, I brought him to the cat box and brought his water to him (he didn’t want to eat anymore).  He too had scruffy fur and dandruff like nobody’s business because he was just too tired to groom himself anymore.  I used to groom him very lightly.  He seemed so fragile.  Still miss that guy!  What a great cat he was! Enjoy em while they’re here. Karen H.

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Take a look at http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/fhc/oldcat.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a dsh ginger tabby..  who has been a wonderful cat.. healthy.. affectionate… however, now he is 14 and starting to look more than a little scruffy…  he’s lost weight.. and is not grooming as much as in the old days..   I know this is fairly common for older cats.. but I’m hoping to make the next couple of years as easy for him as I can… he was a recue cat and quite fierce..  had taken some abuse before I adopted him..  (I’ve posted about him here before – a long time ago) and has always refused to allow any teeth care.. so he is starting to loose his teeth..  I thought before christmas that was the reason he was loosing so much weight.. that he was having trouble eating..  but he seems to be doing ok now.. I’ve watched him eat .. and he seems to manage quite well…. I took him to a vet..  so see if she had any ideas .. and her only offer of help as a $200 panel of tests that "might" show if he’s in some kind of organ failure..  and quite frankly.. thats completely beyond my budget at this time..  there is just no way I can come up with that… however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..  special diets that have worked, etc…. I’d be glad for any advice… Helen

– Alan Consciousness, Physics and the Holographic Paradigm: http://www.livingston.net/hermital/intro.htm

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however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..

I have been using a herbal tonic, called Senior Blend, by Animals’ Apawthecary.  http://www.petsage.com/remedies/formula.html I orignally purchased it for my 12 year old, with kidney disease, which BTW is now halted  (Vet can’t explain it, but says to continue with the tonic)  I also give it to my 16 year old, because I saw the great results, outward, and internal, it had with the 12 year old. Senior Blend:  "A whole body, mind and spirit tonic for older dogs and cats…Alfalfa as a nutrient and anti-arthritic, Dandelion as a liver tonic to help eliminate systemic excess and aid digestion, Milk Thistle for liver support, Ginkgo as a vascular/brain tonic, Hawthorn for the heart and arteries, Oatstraw for nervous system support, Garlic as a blood purifier and nutritive aid, and Marshmallow to soothe and protect the digestive tract" —                            I N   M E M O R Y   O F            M A U                                        S N E E K E R S            Oct. 30, 1996                                Oct. 13, 1997

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I have a dsh ginger tabby..  who has been a wonderful cat.. healthy.. affectionate… however, now he is 14 and starting to look more than a little scruffy…  he’s lost weight.. and is not grooming as much as in the old days..   I know this is fairly common for older cats.. but I’m hoping to make the next couple of years as easy for him as I can… he was a recue cat and quite fierce..  had taken some abuse before I adopted him..  (I’ve posted about him here before – a long time ago) and has always refused to allow any teeth care.. so he is starting to loose his teeth..  I thought before christmas that was the reason he was loosing so much weight.. that he was having trouble eating..  but he seems to be doing ok now.. I’ve watched him eat .. and he seems to manage quite well…. I took him to a vet..  so see if she had any ideas .. and her only offer of help as a $200 panel of tests that "might" show if he’s in some kind of organ failure..  and quite frankly.. thats completely beyond my budget at this time..  there is just no way I can come up with that… however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..  special diets that have worked, etc…. I’d be glad for any advice… Helen delete spam protection from email address to reply by email

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Helen, If I were you, I’d discuss a payment plan with your vet.  If she’s a good vet, she’ll do the tests and let you make payments on them.  These tests can show how all your cat’s organs are functioning.  If you want to make his last years easy, you can do that by finding out what’s wrong and treating the problem.  AFAIK, the only way to do that is to have the tests done.  Your vet is giving you good advice — please try to take it.  Just think of all the happiness your faithful pet has given you.  Now it’s your turn to give back.  Here’s to many more healthy, happy years for your kitty.  :3  BTW, I completely understand how vet bills can be overwhelming, but they are worth it in the long run. Eva, Chick & Mickey (and those d*gs)

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This isn’t a recommendation of a special diet, but after my Meatloaf was diagnosed with failing kidneys at 17, he still lived another 18 months. I just made him as comfortable as possible–made sure he always had a heating pad to lie on–right next to the heating vent, which he loved leaning against when it was going. I made sure that his place was low to the ground, because he had a harder and harder time getting up and down.  When it got hard for him to walk around much, I moved his bowls right by his bed.  At the end, I brought him to the cat box and brought his water to him (he didn’t want to eat anymore).  He too had scruffy fur and dandruff like nobody’s business because he was just too tired to groom himself anymore.  I used to groom him very lightly.  He seemed so fragile.  Still miss that guy!  What a great cat he was! Enjoy em while they’re here. Karen H.

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Take a look at http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/fhc/oldcat.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a dsh ginger tabby..  who has been a wonderful cat.. healthy.. affectionate… however, now he is 14 and starting to look more than a little scruffy…  he’s lost weight.. and is not grooming as much as in the old days..   I know this is fairly common for older cats.. but I’m hoping to make the next couple of years as easy for him as I can… he was a recue cat and quite fierce..  had taken some abuse before I adopted him..  (I’ve posted about him here before – a long time ago) and has always refused to allow any teeth care.. so he is starting to loose his teeth..  I thought before christmas that was the reason he was loosing so much weight.. that he was having trouble eating..  but he seems to be doing ok now.. I’ve watched him eat .. and he seems to manage quite well…. I took him to a vet..  so see if she had any ideas .. and her only offer of help as a $200 panel of tests that "might" show if he’s in some kind of organ failure..  and quite frankly.. thats completely beyond my budget at this time..  there is just no way I can come up with that… however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..  special diets that have worked, etc…. I’d be glad for any advice… Helen

– Alan Consciousness, Physics and the Holographic Paradigm: http://www.livingston.net/hermital/intro.htm

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however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..

I have been using a herbal tonic, called Senior Blend, by Animals’ Apawthecary.  http://www.petsage.com/remedies/formula.html I orignally purchased it for my 12 year old, with kidney disease, which BTW is now halted  (Vet can’t explain it, but says to continue with the tonic)  I also give it to my 16 year old, because I saw the great results, outward, and internal, it had with the 12 year old. Senior Blend:  "A whole body, mind and spirit tonic for older dogs and cats…Alfalfa as a nutrient and anti-arthritic, Dandelion as a liver tonic to help eliminate systemic excess and aid digestion, Milk Thistle for liver support, Ginkgo as a vascular/brain tonic, Hawthorn for the heart and arteries, Oatstraw for nervous system support, Garlic as a blood purifier and nutritive aid, and Marshmallow to soothe and protect the digestive tract" —                            I N   M E M O R Y   O F            M A U                                        S N E E K E R S            Oct. 30, 1996                                Oct. 13, 1997

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I have a dsh ginger tabby..  who has been a wonderful cat.. healthy.. affectionate… however, now he is 14 and starting to look more than a little scruffy…  he’s lost weight.. and is not grooming as much as in the old days..   I know this is fairly common for older cats.. but I’m hoping to make the next couple of years as easy for him as I can… he was a recue cat and quite fierce..  had taken some abuse before I adopted him..  (I’ve posted about him here before – a long time ago) and has always refused to allow any teeth care.. so he is starting to loose his teeth..  I thought before christmas that was the reason he was loosing so much weight.. that he was having trouble eating..  but he seems to be doing ok now.. I’ve watched him eat .. and he seems to manage quite well…. I took him to a vet..  so see if she had any ideas .. and her only offer of help as a $200 panel of tests that "might" show if he’s in some kind of organ failure..  and quite frankly.. thats completely beyond my budget at this time..  there is just no way I can come up with that… however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..  special diets that have worked, etc…. I’d be glad for any advice… Helen delete spam protection from email address to reply by email

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Helen, If I were you, I’d discuss a payment plan with your vet.  If she’s a good vet, she’ll do the tests and let you make payments on them.  These tests can show how all your cat’s organs are functioning.  If you want to make his last years easy, you can do that by finding out what’s wrong and treating the problem.  AFAIK, the only way to do that is to have the tests done.  Your vet is giving you good advice — please try to take it.  Just think of all the happiness your faithful pet has given you.  Now it’s your turn to give back.  Here’s to many more healthy, happy years for your kitty.  :3  BTW, I completely understand how vet bills can be overwhelming, but they are worth it in the long run. Eva, Chick & Mickey (and those d*gs)

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This isn’t a recommendation of a special diet, but after my Meatloaf was diagnosed with failing kidneys at 17, he still lived another 18 months. I just made him as comfortable as possible–made sure he always had a heating pad to lie on–right next to the heating vent, which he loved leaning against when it was going. I made sure that his place was low to the ground, because he had a harder and harder time getting up and down.  When it got hard for him to walk around much, I moved his bowls right by his bed.  At the end, I brought him to the cat box and brought his water to him (he didn’t want to eat anymore).  He too had scruffy fur and dandruff like nobody’s business because he was just too tired to groom himself anymore.  I used to groom him very lightly.  He seemed so fragile.  Still miss that guy!  What a great cat he was! Enjoy em while they’re here. Karen H.

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Take a look at http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/fhc/oldcat.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a dsh ginger tabby..  who has been a wonderful cat.. healthy.. affectionate… however, now he is 14 and starting to look more than a little scruffy…  he’s lost weight.. and is not grooming as much as in the old days..   I know this is fairly common for older cats.. but I’m hoping to make the next couple of years as easy for him as I can… he was a recue cat and quite fierce..  had taken some abuse before I adopted him..  (I’ve posted about him here before – a long time ago) and has always refused to allow any teeth care.. so he is starting to loose his teeth..  I thought before christmas that was the reason he was loosing so much weight.. that he was having trouble eating..  but he seems to be doing ok now.. I’ve watched him eat .. and he seems to manage quite well…. I took him to a vet..  so see if she had any ideas .. and her only offer of help as a $200 panel of tests that "might" show if he’s in some kind of organ failure..  and quite frankly.. thats completely beyond my budget at this time..  there is just no way I can come up with that… however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..  special diets that have worked, etc…. I’d be glad for any advice… Helen

– Alan Consciousness, Physics and the Holographic Paradigm: http://www.livingston.net/hermital/intro.htm

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however…  I thought maybe I’d ask here for any advice people have about special care for older cats..

I have been using a herbal tonic, called Senior Blend, by Animals’ Apawthecary.  http://www.petsage.com/remedies/formula.html I orignally purchased it for my 12 year old, with kidney disease, which BTW is now halted  (Vet can’t explain it, but says to continue with the tonic)  I also give it to my 16 year old, because I saw the great results, outward, and internal, it had with the 12 year old. Senior Blend:  "A whole body, mind and spirit tonic for older dogs and cats…Alfalfa as a nutrient and anti-arthritic, Dandelion as a liver tonic to help eliminate systemic excess and aid digestion, Milk Thistle for liver support, Ginkgo as a vascular/brain tonic, Hawthorn for the heart and arteries, Oatstraw for nervous system support, Garlic as a blood purifier and nutritive aid, and Marshmallow to soothe and protect the digestive tract" —                            I N   M E M O R Y   O F            M A U                                        S N E E K E R S            Oct. 30, 1996                                Oct. 13, 1997

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Very interesting thought… My bf and I have been talking about getting one of those blue service vests for our dog…heh heh Okay, the reason is: when her (our dog) brother was dying (a horrible process which completed itself 2 months ago- he had lung cancer), we would often have trouble getting a cab up to the animal hospital with 2 dogs in tow.  We live in NYC, so this was pretty much the only option we had… Anyway, we would set it up so that I would flag the cab while my bf stood on the sidewalk with the dogs, acting like he didn’t know me.  I’d open the cab door, and we’d all jump in.  More than once we wasted half an hour of a cabby’s time waiting for him to show us what law said we couldn’t have dogs in the car; for cabbies that actually knew where the animal hospital was and gave us no hassles, we tipped heavily. So then the question came- maybe I could get my shrink to write some sort of order for my dog as a service dog so that I could take her everywhere!  I already take her most places (this being the Village area, which is fortunately quite friendly to dogs), but we can’t take her into food places or the like.  She and her brother, whom I have had for half my life (got them at 12, am now 24), have been absolutely invaluable for me through my years of depression. When I become queen of the universe, dogs will be allowed everywhere!!  And animal abusers will be lynched… But anyway, does anyone actually have any experience with this concept of "service dogs"? K.T. =^.^= "I aspire to be the kind of person my dogs think I am"      -Marta Chaffee   "HouseKat is in the House!"     -some DJ at some club some time ago

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   I’ve been lurking on the list for a while, and was wondering if any of you are using dogs to treat your depression.  I know that my dog has helped me tremendously with my problems.  Do any of you use:

The only time I cracked open in Psych Hospital was when my dog died. All the rest of the time I was silent or I lied, but that day I cried. (She was old and ill, I knew it wouldn’t be long). When I came home, my parents bought a puppy to cheer me up, and my father who had also been rather depressed after Katy died. I spent a lot of that summer training Sally and looking after her. It was the best thing anyone could have done for me at the time. She was half labrador, probably half bearded collie (the owners of the labrador only got a quick glimpse of him!). She was a real mutt to look at, like the Tramp but black and grey. She had a lovely temperament and was very intelligent. When I went back to college she had to stay with my parents – she was their dog and I wasn’t allowed pets anyway. But I saw her when ever I saw them, and she was always the most wonderful dog. She died a month ago. She was fifteen and a half, and had kidney disease. She had been senile for months and no longer knew me, so  I wasn’t sad for her. Or maybe that was the numbness of depression. I was sad for me, for the ending of a cycle of my life. One more thing gone wrong. I don’t have a dog myself: I don’t think they mix well with very small children, urban living or my having a job. If we moved to the country I would have a dog. I do have a cat, and she is company in her way and a perpetual blessing in her beauty. I kept canaries and lovebirds for a while, in the mid eighties, and they saved me from myself on occasion. Pets aren’t people, or a substitute for people, but they bring a warmth and basic truth into many people’s lives. Jay H — If I leave here tomorrow would you still remember me For I’m as free as a bird now and this bird you cannot change Lord knows I can’t change

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 alNewsgroups: alt.support.depression  alOn a related note…cats can be also very comforting when you’re {excised}  alI like dogs, but cats are closer to my heart.  Just had to add this.  aldeb I have fifteen of the buggers (or is it sixteen?) and I love ‘em all!  Each has a distinct personality.  I think treating them more like people has allowed them to mature and become individuals more than most cats.  I wouldn’t trade them for the world.  They need me and I need them.  Shame it isn’t that easy with people.  Maybe people could use lessons in catiquette. "There is no dark side of the moon, really.  As a matter of fact,     it’s all dark." Net-Tamer V 1.10  - Test Drive

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    I’ve been lurking on the list for a while, and was wondering if any of you are using dogs to treat your depression.  I know that my dog has helped me tremendously with my problems.  Do any of you use: A Therapy Dog – usually, these dogs are dogs that other people own who come to visit.  I have heard of shrinks using dogs in therapy.

This is *such* an incredibly good idea.  I’ve never heard of it before, which surprises me, because it’s such a great idea, tons and tons of people should be doing it.  I’d love therapy if I got to have a dog sitting next to me during it. cp — **  Baywatch Barbie and her pet dolphin do not move by themselves  ** *    yet MORE new pages!    http://www.mindspring.com/~capadgett    * ***                     be kind to my mistakes                    ***

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Hi.     I’ve been lurking on the list for a while, and was wondering if any of you are using dogs to treat your depression.  I know that my dog has helped me tremendously with my problems.  Do any of you use: A Therapy Dog – usually, these dogs are dogs that other people own who come to visit.  I have heard of shrinks using dogs in therapy. A Service Dog – these are owned by the handler and live with them.  The handler’s access rights to public places like businesses are protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act. have fun (or try to) -David — Tem bol’she ya uznayu lyudey, chem bol’she mne nravyatsya sabaki. The more I know people, the more I like dogs. (Russian proverb) — David Maxwell Department of Plant Pathology Russell Labs 1630 Linden Dr. Madison, WI  53706 Check out my web page: http://PLANTPATH.WISC.EDU/~dlm/

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Hi.     I’ve been lurking on the list for a while, and was wondering if any of you are using dogs to treat your depression.  I know that my dog has helped me tremendously with my problems.  Do any of you use: A Therapy Dog – usually, these dogs are dogs that other people own who come to visit.  I have heard of shrinks using dogs in therapy.

I talk to my dog and cry in his fur — does that count?  :-) And truthfully, petting him and just having him curled up all warm and snuggly beside me on the couch is very comforting.  Of course, it also makes me reluctant to get up  *off* the couch, but I guess that’s a different problem… Ker — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:

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    I’ve been lurking on the list for a while, and was wondering if any of you are using dogs to treat your depression.  I know that my dog has helped me tremendously with my problems.  Do any of you use: A Therapy Dog – usually, these dogs are dogs that other people own who come to visit.  I have heard of shrinks using dogs in therapy. This is *such* an incredibly good idea.  I’ve never heard of it before, which surprises me, because it’s such a great idea, tons and tons of people should be doing it.  I’d love therapy if I got to have a dog sitting next to me during it.

Yes! That would be so nice! Dogs (even when they’re not your own) can be so loving and caring. . .they (the nice ones) don’t like to see people cry. When they do, the dogs feel bad. Ooooh. . .I miss my puppies! Another week before I can see them again. –Christine (ASD Gang Grrl) — "America’s health care system is second only to Japan… Canada, Sweeden, Great Britain, … well all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don’t live in Paraguay!"                 –Homer Simpson

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On a related note…cats can be also very comforting when you’re depressed or sick.  I know cats have a reputation for not caring, but this is not true.  Last night, I was at a party at my friend’s house.  I had been carsick, was depressed, and annoyed, and just retreated to her room for a few minutes to get my head together.  My friend’s cat, who usually won’t give me the time of day, came up to me–ALLOWED me to pick her up (which she NEVER does), and began nuzzling my face and hands.  Cynics might say she was only being a selfish cat, but she never would have done that if I hadn’t felt bad…… When my friend developed severe debilitating arthritis, the cat went from being totally standoffish to allow my friend to hold and pet her.  Trick: she only allows herself to be petted on days when my friend’s arthritis is flaring up. I like dogs, but cats are closer to my heart.  Just had to add this. deb

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<touching cat and dog story snipped wow. i can’t imagine life without my kids–the rodents, felines, canines, or equines. not that i’m around horses as much as i’d like, and i almost never get to see my cats, who are the most special ones. i feel so lucky that they love me. has anyone read james herriot’s books? brooke : — : tonite, on a very special : lisa :       — you don’t have to like me for who i am i’ll see what you’re made of by what you make of me ~ani difranco www.skidmore.edu/~bmiller

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True!  My cats can’t stand it when someone is crying.  The immediately run over to me, or whomever is crying and rub them and try their best to comfort them.  But my cats aren’t standoffish at all.  They "work" the room whenever I have a party.

One of my cats comes running when I cry. The other is always my shadow, but Mo makes a real effort at being there for me when I down.  But most amazing, after my dog had her stroke, Mo began grooming her all the time–and I’ve recently noticed tht this grooming usually takes place on Lucie’s right side, the side weakened by her stroke.  the most amazing thing is that, before Lucie’s stroke, Mo was openly hostile to her.  So much so, that Lucie is still frightened of her, and trembles and is afraid to move when Mo starts rubbing her and licking her.  She’s beginning to trust Mo, but it’s taking time.  The whole scenario is stunning to me. — tonite, on a very special lisa

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True!  My cats can’t stand it when someone is crying.  The immediately run over to me, or whomever is crying and rub them and try their best to comfort them.  But my cats aren’t standoffish at all.  They "work" the room whenever I have a party.

ah! I had the most wonderful cat (haven’t we all..); big, grey, obnoxious and more social than I could ever dream of being. always greeted our guests and thanked them for coming to his party. and then asked them if they wouldn’t like to put some dip on a tortilla chip for him. usually, they would comply. he died three years ago. had to hand feed him the last 4 months of his life. still miss him terribly. wish he were here with me now with those beautiful, demanding blue-green eyes. machiavelli. why did you have to go? Erik Martin Schneider rhetorician of sorts God was so tired of kicking Miss Whitely every time she let her guard down Miss Whitely was even tireder than God                                     — Mecca Normal

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Well I always give kudos to cats.. There is one or 2 in particular that are very close to my heart, and a few of my own that I used to have whom I miss sorely that treated me like I were their mother.. I love cats. We rule! — BrandieWine – Cats Ask For It By Name! Http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/6650 Stop in

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On a related note…cats can be also very comforting when you’re depressed or sick.  I know cats have a reputation for not caring, but this is not true.  Last night, I was at a party at my friend’s house.  I had been carsick, was depressed, and annoyed, and just retreated to her room for a few minutes to get my head together.  My friend’s cat, who usually won’t give me the time of day, came up to me–ALLOWED me to pick her up (which she NEVER does), and began nuzzling my face and hands.  Cynics might say she was only being a selfish cat, but she never would have done that if I hadn’t felt bad…… When my friend developed severe debilitating arthritis, the cat went from being totally standoffish to allow my friend to hold and pet her.  Trick: she only allows herself to be petted on days when my friend’s arthritis is flaring up. I like dogs, but cats are closer to my heart.  Just had to add this. deb

True!  My cats can’t stand it when someone is crying.  The immediately run over to me, or whomever is crying and rub them and try their best to comfort them.  But my cats aren’t standoffish at all.  They "work" the room whenever I have a party. — – Ceridwyn

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Re spaying and side-effects: I did not intend to imply that there was a "plot" to keep information about  some of the side-effects of spaying from the public. You sound like you’re involved in breeding and maybe showing your pets. As a  run-of-the mill pet-owner, I am unaware of an AMVA publication for the general  public that refers to medical studies. I have read several books by vets on  dog health and do not recall any mention of incontinence as a possible side  effect of spaying. It’s not a conspiracy, just a case of "the vet knows best," a patronizing  attitude that clients don’t need this kind of info. This attitude used to be  common among M.D.s, also. I wish vets would persuude the AVMA to publish some patient pamphlets that help  explain the benefits and dangers of certain treatments. I can understand big  words, so the pamphlets wouldn’t have to talk down to me. Also, does anyone know where I can get info on veterinary practices in Britain?  Others on this board have said that spaying and neutering of dogs are much  less common there. I’d like to find out whether unspayed British dogs have the  same mammary cancer rate as in the U.S. Three out of 10 is amazingly high. I  don’t think there’s a human cancer that comes anywhere close to that figure.  What is our high cancer rate attributed to? I’d appreciation help in find the answers to these questions.

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The problem has been reported in the journals and is well documented tho rather covered  up for obvious reasons.

 I have no problem finding information about this subject, here and elsewhere. Articles have been published in virtually every dog-specific magazine, including the AKC Gazette. It’s interesting in that the articles are written by veterinarians. I can’t imagine how anyone could think that this subject has been "covered up." I think that the subject has been "covered up" not to veterinarians but to the  pet-owning public. Vets don’t tell their clients about this incontinence risk,  do they?

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Re spaying and side-effects: I did not intend to imply that there was a "plot" to keep information about some of the side-effects of spaying from the public.

Then my apologies for assuming that you did. There are those who feel that spay incontinence has been kept from the public for the specific purpose of generating profits through needless surgeries; a spurious argument at best as even if this were the case, the health and social benefits from neutering have been thoroughly documented. I am unaware of an AMVA publication for the general

 public that refers to medical studies. I have read several books by vets on  dog health and do not recall any mention of incontinence as a possible side  effect of spaying. The publications (articles) I refer to are those that are published specifically for both show and pet enthusiasts; Dog World, the AKC Gazette, etc…. There are also an abundance of books on the market that delve into some of the more complex aspects of pet-ownership. You might sort through some of the catalogues (Foster and Smith, RC Steele,  Omaha Vaccine,) that sell books, and pick something that you feel is appropriate, given your needs. It’s not a conspiracy, just a case of "the vet knows best," a patronizing

 attitude that clients don’t need this kind of info. This attitude used to be common among M.D.s, also.

I agree that a conspiracy theory, or the inference that veterinarians do not tell their clients about spay incontinence because of some ulterior motive is absurd. I also think that it is difficult to ask questions when one does not know which questions to ask. However, if one’s vet. treats them in a manner that seems demeaning, my suggestion would be to find another vet. Really, there are so many good ones out there that a bit of persistence on your part should result in a satisfactory match. Before and above all else, a veterinarian’s ability to communicate with his/her clients is indicative of the quality of service you will ultimately receive. Our vets. have always been forthcoming while disseminating information related to potential side-effects of any procedure, including spaying, but perhaps it’s that we demand that they do so. publish some patient pamphlets that help explain the benefits and dangers of certain treatments.

But they do: You should be able to find pamphlets in your veterinarian’s office.If they don’t carry them, you might ask your vet. to order a supply. These pamphlets cover an array of topics from heart disease to incontinence, to virtually any other condition that may affect your pet. I can’t understand big

 words, so the pamphlets wouldn’t have to talk down to me. I know the feeling.;-) It sounds as though you’re in the exact position that each of us was when we first became intrigued with dogs. It can be frustrating as we rely on the expertise of others, forgetting that the range of experience and professionalism can and does vary among those who specialize in the field of veterinary medicine. But, if you insist on a full explanation of all matters, including those that seem trivial, you’ll do far better at finding a vet. who satisfies your needs. As they say…."the only dumb question is the one that was never asked." <g Susan — The "Complete Saint Bernard Dog" web page at:  http://nbb.emory.edu/saint/ ENJOY!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… 33% of unspayed female dogs get mammary tumors. Spaying reduces the risk of developing mammary tumors by about 20 times. This is _one reason_ we spayed Lizzie at 6 months, before her first heat.  I take harmones after early hysterectomy.  I have never had problem one, but still don’t understand why a female dog does not need harmone replacement.  We see no problems with Lizzie, but why?  What is different about a dog and a human that makes it unnecessary for harmone replacement?  Just curious. Thanks, Katie Dogs have estrous cycles, not menstrual cycles. They stay in "anestrus" for months at a time.  The dog gets FSH and LH from the pituitary gland, which is not removed.  Plasma estrogen levels in the dog rise as the dog leaves anestrus and enters proestrus (the stage just prior to estrus, or "heat").  Removing the source of estrogen allows the dog to stay in anestrus and not enter estrus. Dr. Drake —

Thank you for your response.  I feel better, now. k

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I think that the subject has been "covered up" not to veterinarians but to the  pet-owning public.

But I am the pet-owning public. Veterinarians write articles on spay incontinence to be published in magazines specifically designed for people like me; the pet owning public.Certainly, I’d like to think that if veterinarians and researchers were conspirators in a plot to keep spay incontinence a secret (away from the public), they would be a bit more clever than to release the information to the public.  Vets don’t tell their clients about this incontinence risk,  do they?

I suppose it depends on the quality of your vet. Misinformation or the lack thereof, is not a result of some covert plot to confuse and befuddle the public. Rather, a vet who neglects to inform their client of side effects (having to do with incontinence or any other condition) is simply…. a less than competent vet. Susan — The "Complete Saint Bernard Dog" web page at:  http://nbb.emory.edu/saint/ ENJOY!

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http://www.cyberpass.net/~goodhips/neuterin.html

Can’t reach the site. Katie

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Bzzt, many *DO* need replacement! it takes time for the hormones to be competely eliminated, thus after a spay you may not see the spay induced incontinence for a while, and if the dog lives outside you may NEVER notice the problem.

While some owners bitches do experience spay incontinence immediately following surgery, the average time following a spay in which incontinence appears, is approximately three years; hardly an indictment of decreased estrogen, alone. If, in fact, decreased estrogen were the sole cause of incontinence, we would expect to see it in every spayed bitch, and in pregnant bitches where estrogen levels are low. It’s equally important to understand that incontinence may result from diseases which go undiagnosed; liver and kidney disease, diabetes, or anomalies of the urinary tract. I recently spoke with a woman who suspected spay incontinence in her young Saint Bernard. It was later established that the bitch required surgery to correct a malformation of the urethra. There is no denying that *urinary incontinence* exists. There is some question as to the frequency of *spay incontinence* in spayed bitches. The problem has been reported in the journals and is well documented tho rather covered  up for obvious reasons.

 I have no problem finding information about this subject, here and elsewhere. Articles have been published in virtually every dog-specific magazine, including the AKC Gazette. It’s interesting in that the articles are written by veterinarians. I can’t imagine how anyone could think that this subject has been "covered up." Out of the seven bitches I have had spayed over the past many years, I have yet to have one experience incontinence, but have had three cases of pyometra (two open and one closed). Prior to spaying, our veterinarians have explained the risks in detail. The risk of pyometra or mammary cancer far exceeds those posed by spaying, and subsequently developing spay incontinence. In Europe spaying and neutering israther rare, this is an American thing!

No: Spaying is not an "American thing." Rather, it is a "heightened awareness" thing. The spaying of bitches is becoming more frequent in other countries as they begin to recognize and cope with many of the problems we have here: Overpopulation, cancer, pyometra, etc…  England and Australia have active ‘rescue’ populations; many of whom require neutering before dogs are placed in permanent homes. In this case, neutering is not a cure, but it beats the heck out of euthanizing millions of dogs and pups each year. Susan — The "Complete Saint Bernard Dog" web page at:  http://nbb.emory.edu/saint/ ENJOY!

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Katie Price said: This is _one reason_ we spayed Lizzie at 6 months, before her first heat. I take harmones after early hysterectomy.  I have never had problem one, but still don’t understand why a female dog does not need harmone replacement. Bzzt, many *DO* need replacement! it takes time for the hormones to be competely eliminated, thus after a spay you may not see the spay induced incontinence for a while, and if the dog lives outside you may NEVER notice the problem.

Lizzie doesn’t not live outside and does not seem to have any problems at the moment.  I would like to here a vet answer this post.  I don’t live in Europe.  The fact another continent has a different perspective doesn’t affect me one way or another.  I’ll stick with the American way of life. Appreciate your post.  I will visit the site out of curiosity.  Thanks. Katie

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My husband and I are disagreeing over whether to spay our three-year-old dog.  We thought of breeding her, but just haven’t had the time necessary to provide  the extra care required for a pregnant bitch and a litter of cute, beautiful  puppies. (I can play with puppies for hours.) I know that most vets follow the party line that spaying is "good for" female  dogs and will help prevent breast cancer. However, I wonder why there should be no recognition given to the fact that the  dog is losing a source of hormones that have more than reproductive functions.  I say this because a woman friend of mine had a hysterectomy this year and all  sorts of her body systems were affected. How can anyone say this does not  happen to a dog? I suppose a woman would have less of a chance of breast cancer if she had a  hysterectomy. Have there been any studies — real studies that have close to the requirements  for human studies — that offer breast cancer risk figures for spayed vs.  unspayed dogs? Does spaying reduce breast cancer risks by .05 percent, 10  percent, or ??? percent? Our dog does not try to get outside when she’s in heat. We never leave her in  our fenced yard alone when she’s in heat. However, she does seem a little down  and moody during her heat — PMS, maybe. I’d really like some answers to these questions. Vets seem to say just that  they’re "better off" spayed. If you try to compare spayings to hysterectomies,  you’re told that you are anthromorphizing (can’t remember correct word here) ,  or attributing human characteristics to dogs. Well, rather than being brushed  off like that, I’d like to have facts and figures so that I can make an informed decision.

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 Does spaying reduce breast cancer risks by .05 percent, 10 percent, or ??? percent?

33% of unspayed female dogs get mammary tumors. Spaying reduces the risk of developing mammary tumors by about 20 times. Dr. Drake — Ocean Beach Veterinary Hospital http://www.cport.com/~obvc/ | | PLEASE NOTE: In the absence of a traditional veterinarian-client-patient relationship, this information should be taken as a friendly opinion, not as an official clinical recommendation. Commercial/bulk/solicitation email unwelcome.

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said… No, female dogs do not come into heat after being spayed. All the vet does is do a simple operation and takes out the ovaries.  She will usually be drowsy for the next couple of days. Soxy12

Just to clarify… the procedure (an ovariohysterectomy) is the complete removal of the ovaries *and* the uterus.  However…. if done incorrectly i.e. some of the ovary is left intact, the dog *could* come into heat. Michelle R. Lewis, LVT

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33% of unspayed female dogs get mammary tumors. Spaying reduces the risk of developing mammary tumors by about 20 times.

This is _one reason_ we spayed Lizzie at 6 months, before her first heat.  I take harmones after early hysterectomy.  I have never had problem one, but still don’t understand why a female dog does not need harmone replacement.  We see no problems with Lizzie, but why?  What is different about a dog and a human that makes it unnecessary for harmone replacement?  Just curious. Thanks, Katie

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No, female dogs do not come into heat after being spayed. All the vet does is do a simple operation and takes out the ovaries.  She will usually be drowsy for the next couple of days. Soxy12

"all the vet does" is anesthetize the animal, clip and surgically scrub the skin at the sugery site, drape the area with a sterilized surgical drape, open a sterile surgery pack (while wearing sterile gown, gloves, and a cap and mask) incise the skin, dissect to the linea alba, incise the linea alba, locate the uterus and the ovaries, break the suspensory ligaments of the ovaries, triple clamp the ovarian pedicles, which are then ligated twice and severed.  The doctor then breaks the broad ligaments (while ligating and large vessels running through the broad ligament) and triple clamps the uterine body just cranial to the cervix.  The uterus is then double ligated and severed. The surgeon then checks each of the ovarian pedicles, the uterine stump, and the broad ligament for bleeding.  The surgeon then sutures the linea alba closed, closes the subcutaneous tissues, then finally closes the skin.  After surgery the animal is recovered from anesthesia, and the animal is returned to its owner who is then instructed in proper post-op care. That’s all.  Calling it simple is untrue, and makes people think it should be inexpesive .. yet how can it be inexpensive when it should be performed in a surgical suite, with inhalation anesthesia and anesthetic monitoring, in an aseptic environment, with a surgeon, anesthetic costs, suture material, the cost of cleaning and sterilizing the surgical instuments, the cost of paying a licensed technician to assist with anesthesia, etc. Anyone intersted in viewing a slideshow of an ovariohysterectomy (spay) surgery is welcome to do so at: http://www.cport.com/~obvc/ Dr. Drake — Ocean Beach Veterinary Hospital http://www.cport.com/~obvc/ | | PLEASE NOTE: In the absence of a traditional veterinarian-client-patient relationship, this information should be taken as a friendly opinion, not as an official clinical recommendation. Commercial/bulk/solicitation email unwelcome.

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No, female dogs do not come into heat after being spayed. All the vet does is  do a simple operation and takes out the ovaries.  She will usually be drowsy  for the next couple of days. Soxy12

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Is there a way to curtail worms in puppies without taking them to the vet? We’ve given them both shots, but they’ve returned…. Auggie is 4 1/2 months and Keno is 8 1/2 months. —

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Is there a way to curtail worms in puppies without taking them to the vet? We’ve given them both shots, but they’ve returned…. Auggie is 4 1/2 months and Keno is 8 1/2 months. —

There are some over the counter products but I dont know how well they work.  At such a young age, these pups need to be medicated very carefully, by someone who knows what and how much to give them. What are they eating that they are gettin worms? S — Human/Alpha Dog                          Tina & Gracie AmStaffs/Dogs If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons.        James Thurber

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Is there a way to curtail worms in puppies without taking them to the vet? We’ve given them both shots, but they’ve returned…. Auggie is 4 1/2 months and Keno is 8 1/2 months. —

I assume you are talking round worms as the other varieties are harder to detect.  Round worms in puppies is a fairly common thing. They are passed to the pup in their mothers milk. It is not uncommon for the larval stages to encyst in the dog and become active later in the dogs life, generally during periods of stress or fat metabolism.  Usually a good breeder will do a first worming of the pups with their first shots at about 6 weeks. This first worming generally will not kill all the worms and subsequent wormings may be required.  Deworming pills can generally be purchased at most of your larger feed/pet stores or through mail order catalogues.  Be sure to follow the directions carefully.   If you live in a heartworm zone, then Heartguard plus can be used on a monthly basis.  In addition to killing any heartworm microfilarea (sp) it will also take care of round worm.   If you are talking other types of worms, then there are different deworming medications available that are specific for tapes and hooks to rid your pup of these parasites.  Again, read the labels and use only the perscribed amount for the weight of your dog. Tom

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says… There are products that can help with worms in puppies that you can get "over the counter", but I cannot recommend worming puppies without tests at the vets to see what type of parasites you are dealing with. The best way to get rid of internal parasites is to know exactly what you are dealing with and get the best medicine from the vet. The more effective medicines are not sold except through vets.

Also, most dewormers used by veterinarians are much less toxic than the over-the-counter types.  Most over-the-counter dewormers came on the market and were available over-the-counter before many drugs became regulated. I have treated my fair share of seizuring dogs caused by improper dosage of dewormers bought over-the-counter.  (One dog was given the right dose for its weight… but had kidney disease .. and the kidneys could not metabolize the dewormer properly.   The owners of these dogs ended up spending MUCH more by trying to save a couple of bucks and do things themselves. (That is why it takes 8 years and thousands of studying hours to become a veterinarian… it isn’t that easy!) Jason

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There are products that can help with worms in puppies that you can get "over the counter", but I cannot recommend worming puppies without tests at the vets to see what type of parasites you are dealing with. The best way to get rid of internal parasites is to know exactly what you are dealing with and get the best medicine from the vet. The more effective medicines are not sold except through vets. In most cases the shots your vet gives are vaccinations that protect against diseases, not internal parasites. If that is the case, your puppy will need more than one or two shots to protect its health and even life. Please, check with your vet to be sure that your puppy is getting the best care it can. If you cannot afford routine vet care, can you really afford a puppy? What if it has a serious health problem (a lot more likely if you don’t do regular health care at your vet’s), will you be able to afford to care for it then? If not, is that fair to your puppy? If you just don’t care for the vet you went to last time, find a new one, but don’t neglect your puppy’s health care. Carol and the Carwyn Silky Terriers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Is there a way to curtail worms in puppies without taking them to the vet? We’ve given them both shots, but they’ve returned…. Auggie is 4 1/2 months and Keno is 8 1/2 months. —

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– -Is there a way to curtail worms in puppies without taking them to the -vet? <<< SNIP -If you are talking other types of worms, then there are different -deworming medications available that are specific for tapes and hooks -to rid your pup of these parasites.  Again, read the labels and use -only the perscribed amount for the weight of your dog. – -Tom May I suggest that you consider our intestinal tract cleanser product called ClensCare.   It’s a non-toxic natural way to rid your pet of intestinal parasites. You can read more about it and our other dietary supplements at our web site… <http://www.petpals.com thanks Steve Fletcher

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Is there a way to curtail worms in puppies without taking them to the vet? We’ve given them both shots, but they’ve returned…. Auggie is 4 1/2 months and Keno is 8 1/2 months. There are some over the counter products but I dont know how well they work.  At such a young age, these pups need to be medicated very carefully, by someone who knows what and how much to give them. What are they eating that they are gettin worms?

It may not be what they are eating.  Pamela didn’t mention what kind of worms they are.  If they are tape worms (pretty obvious looking in their poop), then they are getting them from flea bites from fleas infected with the larvae.  My dogs will occasionally get them.  The important thing to remember is to bring them in for the *second* shot.  My vet always reminds us to bring them back in 10-days to 2-weeks.  You can get most of the adult worms with the first shot, but any larvae they left in the dog will then grow to adults in about 10 days.  The dogs have to have a follow up shot. || *Built for comfort, not for speed*      _\/_%             %-/_//  || || Effective Cycling Instructor #387      (*)___(*)            (*)-(*) || ||                                                                      || || Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?                || || He lies awake at night wondering if there really is a Dog.           || ||                                                                      || ||Frieda, Ginger, Truffles, Gray One, White One, Little One & Cassandra ||

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