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scupper70 wrote: >Pain killers with alcohol I now know is a bad thing (OTC, never been around >anything else).    Taking Aleve or something similar the day after quite a >few times may cause substantial damage?     ..opinions…

Well, most non-steriodial anti-inflamatories are bad for your kidneys with or without alchohol. I seem to have rotted my kidneys taking naprosin (prescription strength narpoxen sodium — the stuff in aleve OTC) for foot pain from gout.   But you are probably thinking about the bad effects of taking some pain killers the day after  good bender, esp if on an empty stomache.  I belive it is Tylenol (acediminiphren) that can casue liver damage in such circumstances. Very serious, even fatal liver failure within a short time.   I’ve also been a life long insomniac, and have been told by several doctors that either melatonin or some OTC anti-histimines are relatively safe for occasional sleep aid.   Or you could try reading some Kant. —garyFostel—

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In article <XAoe9.3590$_l1.10…@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, Daniel Granot <dgra…@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >> Are there percentages associated with successful matches for kidney >> transplants in families?   Brothers / sisters, aunts / uncles ?? >I can’t remember percentages, but I do remember that the odds of success of >family only marginally better as opposed to cadaver. >I seem to recall also that family transplants tend to live a little longer >(on the whole). But it’s marginal again.

I think that’s just living donor vs. cadaveric donor — the kidney that’s taken fresh from a living donor is usually in slightly better shape, so there’s a few percent higher success rate with the transplant. Matches aren’t such a big deal with modern anti-rejection meds — my daughter’s match was really bad and she’s had no rejection whatsoever. — chuk

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>Are there percentages associated with successful matches for kidney >transplants in families?   Brothers / sisters, aunts / uncles ??

For the latest numbers go to: http://www.unos.org/main_default.htm I think they’re re-doing the website so I’m not sure if all the info is up yet. Also http://ustransplant.org/ http://ustransplant.org/facts.html "That’s just my opinion, I could be wrong." Dennis Miller hey hey my my rock and roll can never die it’s better to burn out than it is to fade away

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Daniel Granot +——————————————-+ Director – Team GORP +——————————————-+ "scupper79" <scuppe…@msn.com> wrote in message

news:3d79d232$1_1@news5.nntpserver.com… > Are there percentages associated with successful matches for kidney > transplants in families?   Brothers / sisters, aunts / uncles ??

I can’t remember percentages, but I do remember that the odds of success of family only marginally better as opposed to cadaver. I seem to recall also that family transplants tend to live a little longer (on the whole). But it’s marginal again. I’ll repeat. This is from memory. I could be wrong…my memory has been…

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In article <3d79d232$…@news5.nntpserver.com>, "scupper79" <scuppe…@msn.com> wrote: > Pain killers with alcohol I now know is a bad thing (OTC, never been around > anything else).    Taking Aleve or something similar the day after quite a > few times may cause substantial damage?     ..opinions…

Aleve and ibuprofen are hard on the kidneys and liver. People with known kidney disease should avoid most non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. I am allowed to take aspirin and acetominophen but nothing else, and I am in the very early stages of kidney disease. > ..this one’s different? >     Would this new sleep dentistry drug (valium family) be hard on kidneys, > liver, general system?

Not that I’ve heard. > occassional kidney area pain may be a bit stronger than normal.     Have > been known to get excited way too quick and end up being embarrassed with > doctor’s so now I am afraid to go and check?

Could be a stone, could be a muscle, could be nothing at all. Why not ask a doctor? > parents mildly argue ’cause of sleep issues.     Alcohol was easy to get > into noticing I could sleep with it.     Now I’m afraid it has worked > opposite, huh?

Bright’s disease is caused by alcoholism. There may be other disease of the kidneys as well, and of course the detrimental effects to the liver are well known.

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Are there percentages associated with successful matches for kidney transplants in families?   Brothers / sisters, aunts / uncles ?? Pain killers with alcohol I now know is a bad thing (OTC, never been around anything else).    Taking Aleve or something similar the day after quite a few times may cause substantial damage?     ..opinions… ..this one’s different?     Would this new sleep dentistry drug (valium family) be hard on kidneys, liver, general system?  reason behind curiousity..    Notice minor pains or inconveniencies in the kidney areas which appear then go away.    I work out average 3 times a week, hard workout, and of course I feel 20 times better after working out. Have been a few times recently for the sleep dentistry but I’m noticing the occassional kidney area pain may be a bit stronger than normal.     Have been known to get excited way too quick and end up being embarrassed with doctor’s so now I am afraid to go and check? have been an insomniac all my life long before I got into alcohol, other family members seem to be in the same boat.    My father in the last few years on a blood pressure medication seems to finally for the first time in his life sleep better.    Even in elementary I can remember listening to the parents mildly argue ’cause of sleep issues.     Alcohol was easy to get into noticing I could sleep with it.     Now I’m afraid it has worked opposite, huh? please just simple answers from kind people.     i believe we all agree the negativity is a waste of our time for people wanting support and so forth, but then again it seems to pull out good information, too. wish the best for all,    thanks

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She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.

I am so sorry to hear about your kitty.  It must be so hard for you seeing your cat in this condition.  I remember when our 17 year old was sick and what I went through.  I’m glad to hear that your cat has a good prognosis.  Have you called the vet to tell them about her condition now? Lauren =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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There is a lot of research that is currently being conducted on this.  My vet told me that rabies and feline leukemia vaccines tend be involved in most cases.  It’s very very important that these vaccines NOT be administered in the shoulder area because of the possibility that if sarcoma develops (and it’s fairly rare), the vet may not be able to remove enough tissue around it to ensure that it’s all removed.  My vet will only administer the vaccine for feline leukemia in the hindquarters and many vets do the same for rabies. Here is a link to an enormous database of veterinary sites where you can find more info: http://www.internets.com/sveterin.htm Tar

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez… What kind of vaccination?  What drug was used? I’m sorry to hear that your kitty is going through such a tough time. Please, ask for a different tech to help or if you’re calm, restrain her yuorself. I’m always a nervous wraeck at the vet’s office; even for regular check ups.   It’s not acceptable for anyone to manhandle her, especially someone you’re paying. J-M

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What do I do?

I think you should see this vet in person, and tell her in no uncertain terms what your expectations are. I am shocked that she would let a cat wander through treatment rooms when they are being used, especially considering that it’s a well known fact that most of the time cats do not react well to strange cats and the presence of one can cause a lot of stress. You are going to have to make it very clear to this vet that you forbid the presence of the clinic cat in any room your cat is being treated in and that you want it made VERY clear to ALL vet techs employed there that your cat has pain from a previous injury and needs to be handled gently and carefully. Keep in mind that you are the boss here, and that the vet is working for YOU. Megan   "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574

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You need to communiate your concerns to the vet.  They are legitimate concerns.  And Jackson, Callie and I all send positive thoughts to you and your cat.  This is hard enough without thoughtlessness at the vet’s. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

  Go to another vet right away.   ob. — ****    Odette Brown ** I love Cats    ***** *** La Belle Province ** Quebec ** CANADA *** *** http://www.igs.net/~rathey/odette1.htm ***

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Can you stay right with your cat while she gets the treatment? I know my circumstances are different cus all my cat’s getting are blood tests and subq fluids (CRF) , but she’s an absolute monster while it’s being done. Right from the beginning of her treatment I insisted on being with her … partly cus I thought she’d feel a little less scared if she wasn’t left in the hands of strangers, and partly cus I want to make sure she’s ok. There was one episode recently where the technician really lost it and I’m glad I was there cus I prevented my cat from having, what I feel, is unnessary restraint. The tech went of on a tangent about how she didn’t want to end up in emerg with a cat bite. She was really rude and overbearing … insisted in a very loud voice that the next time she’s gonna put a leather muzzle on my cat, as well as a harness, plus wrap her in something. She blamed me for my cat’s behaviour (I tell them to stop for a break when I see my cat’s experiencing extreme stress) and she says that contributes to the problem. Anyway, the story here is that if I hadn’t been right there, for sure my cat would have been excessively restrained. I refuse to have that technician now … there are others who are more patient.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific.

She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.  They use gas to anesthesize her for approximately five minutes so that they can position her precisely and so she won’t move while they zap the tumor. They restrained her to agressively trim her claws (including rear), shave her back, weigh her, give her subcutaneous fluids plus whatever measurements and markings they needed to perform. This particular oncologist uses radiation first, then surgery if needed. Because the tumor is relatively small (about the size of an olive) we may be able to avoid surgery completely while still killing the cancer. Because of early detection her prognosis for the cancer is pretty good (1). The only drug my cat’s currently on is Batryl for a urinary tract infection, and only for a few more days. Her other major health issue is that she’s in the early stages of detectable kidney disease (prognosis is that she should have two – four years of good quality life — which at 17.5 doesn’t seem too unreasonable). 1. Do yourselves and your cats a favor: monitor vaccination sites for lumps. Early detection saves lives.

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Geez… What kind of vaccination?  What drug was used? I’m sorry to hear that your kitty is going through such a tough time. Please, ask for a different tech to help or if you’re calm, restrain her yuorself. I’m always a nervous wraeck at the vet’s office; even for regular check ups.   It’s not acceptable for anyone to manhandle her, especially someone you’re paying. J-M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific. She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.  They use gas to anesthesize her for approximately five minutes so that they can position her precisely and so she won’t move while they zap the tumor.

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The tech went of on a tangent about how she didn’t want to end up in emerg with a cat bite. She was really rude and overbearing … insisted in a very loud voice that the next time she’s gonna put a leather muzzle on my cat, as well as a harness, plus wrap her in something. She blamed me for my cat’s behaviour (I tell them to stop for a break when I see my cat’s experiencing extreme stress) and she says that contributes to the problem.

I had a similar problem with a vet tech.  I complained to the vet and told him if that tech ever came near my cat again, I would take my business elsewhere. Other people complained about her to and the tech eventually was fired.  If your cat is ever mishandled or mistreated, you should tell the vet definitely. Lauren =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. <snip What do I do?

Speak directly o the veterinarian regarding your cats condition, and your suspicions. It is the only action that can possibly resolve your issues while still giving your cat the treatments it needs. -Toni

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific. =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.

I am so sorry to hear about your kitty.  It must be so hard for you seeing your cat in this condition.  I remember when our 17 year old was sick and what I went through.  I’m glad to hear that your cat has a good prognosis.  Have you called the vet to tell them about her condition now? Lauren =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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There is a lot of research that is currently being conducted on this.  My vet told me that rabies and feline leukemia vaccines tend be involved in most cases.  It’s very very important that these vaccines NOT be administered in the shoulder area because of the possibility that if sarcoma develops (and it’s fairly rare), the vet may not be able to remove enough tissue around it to ensure that it’s all removed.  My vet will only administer the vaccine for feline leukemia in the hindquarters and many vets do the same for rabies. Here is a link to an enormous database of veterinary sites where you can find more info: http://www.internets.com/sveterin.htm Tar

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez… What kind of vaccination?  What drug was used? I’m sorry to hear that your kitty is going through such a tough time. Please, ask for a different tech to help or if you’re calm, restrain her yuorself. I’m always a nervous wraeck at the vet’s office; even for regular check ups.   It’s not acceptable for anyone to manhandle her, especially someone you’re paying. J-M

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What do I do?

I think you should see this vet in person, and tell her in no uncertain terms what your expectations are. I am shocked that she would let a cat wander through treatment rooms when they are being used, especially considering that it’s a well known fact that most of the time cats do not react well to strange cats and the presence of one can cause a lot of stress. You are going to have to make it very clear to this vet that you forbid the presence of the clinic cat in any room your cat is being treated in and that you want it made VERY clear to ALL vet techs employed there that your cat has pain from a previous injury and needs to be handled gently and carefully. Keep in mind that you are the boss here, and that the vet is working for YOU. Megan   "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574

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You need to communiate your concerns to the vet.  They are legitimate concerns.  And Jackson, Callie and I all send positive thoughts to you and your cat.  This is hard enough without thoughtlessness at the vet’s. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

  Go to another vet right away.   ob. — ****    Odette Brown ** I love Cats    ***** *** La Belle Province ** Quebec ** CANADA *** *** http://www.igs.net/~rathey/odette1.htm ***

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Can you stay right with your cat while she gets the treatment? I know my circumstances are different cus all my cat’s getting are blood tests and subq fluids (CRF) , but she’s an absolute monster while it’s being done. Right from the beginning of her treatment I insisted on being with her … partly cus I thought she’d feel a little less scared if she wasn’t left in the hands of strangers, and partly cus I want to make sure she’s ok. There was one episode recently where the technician really lost it and I’m glad I was there cus I prevented my cat from having, what I feel, is unnessary restraint. The tech went of on a tangent about how she didn’t want to end up in emerg with a cat bite. She was really rude and overbearing … insisted in a very loud voice that the next time she’s gonna put a leather muzzle on my cat, as well as a harness, plus wrap her in something. She blamed me for my cat’s behaviour (I tell them to stop for a break when I see my cat’s experiencing extreme stress) and she says that contributes to the problem. Anyway, the story here is that if I hadn’t been right there, for sure my cat would have been excessively restrained. I refuse to have that technician now … there are others who are more patient.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific.

She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.  They use gas to anesthesize her for approximately five minutes so that they can position her precisely and so she won’t move while they zap the tumor. They restrained her to agressively trim her claws (including rear), shave her back, weigh her, give her subcutaneous fluids plus whatever measurements and markings they needed to perform. This particular oncologist uses radiation first, then surgery if needed. Because the tumor is relatively small (about the size of an olive) we may be able to avoid surgery completely while still killing the cancer. Because of early detection her prognosis for the cancer is pretty good (1). The only drug my cat’s currently on is Batryl for a urinary tract infection, and only for a few more days. Her other major health issue is that she’s in the early stages of detectable kidney disease (prognosis is that she should have two – four years of good quality life — which at 17.5 doesn’t seem too unreasonable). 1. Do yourselves and your cats a favor: monitor vaccination sites for lumps. Early detection saves lives.

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Geez… What kind of vaccination?  What drug was used? I’m sorry to hear that your kitty is going through such a tough time. Please, ask for a different tech to help or if you’re calm, restrain her yuorself. I’m always a nervous wraeck at the vet’s office; even for regular check ups.   It’s not acceptable for anyone to manhandle her, especially someone you’re paying. J-M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific. She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.  They use gas to anesthesize her for approximately five minutes so that they can position her precisely and so she won’t move while they zap the tumor.

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The tech went of on a tangent about how she didn’t want to end up in emerg with a cat bite. She was really rude and overbearing … insisted in a very loud voice that the next time she’s gonna put a leather muzzle on my cat, as well as a harness, plus wrap her in something. She blamed me for my cat’s behaviour (I tell them to stop for a break when I see my cat’s experiencing extreme stress) and she says that contributes to the problem.

I had a similar problem with a vet tech.  I complained to the vet and told him if that tech ever came near my cat again, I would take my business elsewhere. Other people complained about her to and the tech eventually was fired.  If your cat is ever mishandled or mistreated, you should tell the vet definitely. Lauren =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. <snip What do I do?

Speak directly o the veterinarian regarding your cats condition, and your suspicions. It is the only action that can possibly resolve your issues while still giving your cat the treatments it needs. -Toni

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific. =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.

I am so sorry to hear about your kitty.  It must be so hard for you seeing your cat in this condition.  I remember when our 17 year old was sick and what I went through.  I’m glad to hear that your cat has a good prognosis.  Have you called the vet to tell them about her condition now? Lauren =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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There is a lot of research that is currently being conducted on this.  My vet told me that rabies and feline leukemia vaccines tend be involved in most cases.  It’s very very important that these vaccines NOT be administered in the shoulder area because of the possibility that if sarcoma develops (and it’s fairly rare), the vet may not be able to remove enough tissue around it to ensure that it’s all removed.  My vet will only administer the vaccine for feline leukemia in the hindquarters and many vets do the same for rabies. Here is a link to an enormous database of veterinary sites where you can find more info: http://www.internets.com/sveterin.htm Tar

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez… What kind of vaccination?  What drug was used? I’m sorry to hear that your kitty is going through such a tough time. Please, ask for a different tech to help or if you’re calm, restrain her yuorself. I’m always a nervous wraeck at the vet’s office; even for regular check ups.   It’s not acceptable for anyone to manhandle her, especially someone you’re paying. J-M

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What do I do?

I think you should see this vet in person, and tell her in no uncertain terms what your expectations are. I am shocked that she would let a cat wander through treatment rooms when they are being used, especially considering that it’s a well known fact that most of the time cats do not react well to strange cats and the presence of one can cause a lot of stress. You are going to have to make it very clear to this vet that you forbid the presence of the clinic cat in any room your cat is being treated in and that you want it made VERY clear to ALL vet techs employed there that your cat has pain from a previous injury and needs to be handled gently and carefully. Keep in mind that you are the boss here, and that the vet is working for YOU. Megan   "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu’s Cats Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=244574

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You need to communiate your concerns to the vet.  They are legitimate concerns.  And Jackson, Callie and I all send positive thoughts to you and your cat.  This is hard enough without thoughtlessness at the vet’s. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

  Go to another vet right away.   ob. — ****    Odette Brown ** I love Cats    ***** *** La Belle Province ** Quebec ** CANADA *** *** http://www.igs.net/~rathey/odette1.htm ***

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Can you stay right with your cat while she gets the treatment? I know my circumstances are different cus all my cat’s getting are blood tests and subq fluids (CRF) , but she’s an absolute monster while it’s being done. Right from the beginning of her treatment I insisted on being with her … partly cus I thought she’d feel a little less scared if she wasn’t left in the hands of strangers, and partly cus I want to make sure she’s ok. There was one episode recently where the technician really lost it and I’m glad I was there cus I prevented my cat from having, what I feel, is unnessary restraint. The tech went of on a tangent about how she didn’t want to end up in emerg with a cat bite. She was really rude and overbearing … insisted in a very loud voice that the next time she’s gonna put a leather muzzle on my cat, as well as a harness, plus wrap her in something. She blamed me for my cat’s behaviour (I tell them to stop for a break when I see my cat’s experiencing extreme stress) and she says that contributes to the problem. Anyway, the story here is that if I hadn’t been right there, for sure my cat would have been excessively restrained. I refuse to have that technician now … there are others who are more patient.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific.

She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.  They use gas to anesthesize her for approximately five minutes so that they can position her precisely and so she won’t move while they zap the tumor. They restrained her to agressively trim her claws (including rear), shave her back, weigh her, give her subcutaneous fluids plus whatever measurements and markings they needed to perform. This particular oncologist uses radiation first, then surgery if needed. Because the tumor is relatively small (about the size of an olive) we may be able to avoid surgery completely while still killing the cancer. Because of early detection her prognosis for the cancer is pretty good (1). The only drug my cat’s currently on is Batryl for a urinary tract infection, and only for a few more days. Her other major health issue is that she’s in the early stages of detectable kidney disease (prognosis is that she should have two – four years of good quality life — which at 17.5 doesn’t seem too unreasonable). 1. Do yourselves and your cats a favor: monitor vaccination sites for lumps. Early detection saves lives.

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Geez… What kind of vaccination?  What drug was used? I’m sorry to hear that your kitty is going through such a tough time. Please, ask for a different tech to help or if you’re calm, restrain her yuorself. I’m always a nervous wraeck at the vet’s office; even for regular check ups.   It’s not acceptable for anyone to manhandle her, especially someone you’re paying. J-M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific. She’s being treated for a fibrosarcoma – a nasty and agressive cancer caused by a vaccination 6 weeks ago. She’s receiving radiation treatments.  They use gas to anesthesize her for approximately five minutes so that they can position her precisely and so she won’t move while they zap the tumor.

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The tech went of on a tangent about how she didn’t want to end up in emerg with a cat bite. She was really rude and overbearing … insisted in a very loud voice that the next time she’s gonna put a leather muzzle on my cat, as well as a harness, plus wrap her in something. She blamed me for my cat’s behaviour (I tell them to stop for a break when I see my cat’s experiencing extreme stress) and she says that contributes to the problem.

I had a similar problem with a vet tech.  I complained to the vet and told him if that tech ever came near my cat again, I would take my business elsewhere. Other people complained about her to and the tech eventually was fired.  If your cat is ever mishandled or mistreated, you should tell the vet definitely. Lauren =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

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I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. <snip What do I do?

Speak directly o the veterinarian regarding your cats condition, and your suspicions. It is the only action that can possibly resolve your issues while still giving your cat the treatments it needs. -Toni

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I picked my 17 year-old cat up from the vet about twelve hours ago, and her condition is breaking my heart. It appears that  her hind legs were over-restrained and she cannot really walk. I carried her to her litter box. She wouldn’t eat until around an hour ago. She’s obviously in a great deal of pain. She can stand, but it obviously hurts, and she can take a few steps — so I guess nothing’s broken.) She was hit by a car in 1984 (before I "owned" her) and suffered a broken pelvis. She’s always been a little touchy about being touched in the hips so I assume that she never quite healed correctly. She does have a tendency to become over-agitated, but the vet allows their house-cat to wander in and out of the treatment room. To my cat, all other cats are enemies and I’m sure this contributed greatly to her agitation. The thing is, no matter how agitated and agressive she becomes, she’s still a 17.5 year-old cat who only weighs 6.5 pounds and excessive force should be avoided. I’d gladly avoid this particular vet, but unfortunately she’s the only oncologist in the area and my cat was diagnosed with vaccine-site sarcoma — so there’s nowhere else to go. (Note – it was a technician, not the vet herself, who handled my cat.) Here’s the deal: my cat has to go back *every* day for the next three and a half weeks. Her little old body cannot take much more of this kind of abuse; if she doesn’t eat or drink for a month, obviously she will die. What do I do?

Can you give us more details?  What is your cat being treated for exactly?  Did the vet anesthesize the cat?  Is she on any drugs?   Please be specific. =^..^= Mickey and Meesha: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548 Life is a journey, not a guided tour.

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All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well. Anna (& Orpheus & Echo)

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I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch?

When Cat Fancy did a survey of 200 vets across the U.S., not one had ever seen a health problem in cats that was related to the use of clumping litter. I have no qualms about using it myself. Also, I am not sure that bacteria or germs could live in a dry medium like clumping litter once the clumps are removed (we scoop twice a day, though). If the clumps start to stick to the pan, it’s time to dump it out, clean out the pan, and start fresh. It seems to me that bacteria would be much more likely to survive in non-clumping litter, which stays wet. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well.

I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them. My sister’s cats got very sick, and I think it was the kitty litter, but she never asked the vet to confirm that. I have always been leery of it, so I use wheat kitty litter, called sweatscoop. It is scoopable, clumps, though slowly, does NOT expand, and it is edible and digestible. No harm at all if they ingest it. It smells good, is less dusty, and it keeps the odor down pretty well. I really like it, and I have been using it for a few years now. It costs more than the clay or silicone litters, but I feel better knowing there is no risk to my cats. It is possible that the early reports were wrong or that the litters were changed, but I just don’t trust that. Too many companies with a lot to lose if a problem was documented. Meghan & the Zoo Crew  (Maynard, Kira, Jenny, & Chase) Friesians in the Northwest http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

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I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well.

We use Cat Country Organic which is made from plant fiber.  It is not clumping litter, is virtually dust free and is great on odor control.  The only problem is that the pellets are on the large side but my cats don’t seem to mind.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well. Anna (& Orpheus & Echo)

While I have never had a problem with my cats using scoopable litter, the 4 kittens I am taking care of began to eat the clay litter.  One little boy kitten was very ill, couldn’t poop, and wouldn’t eat anything.  I got some laxitone down him last night and early this morning and he was finally able to pass it out.  I could see the litter in his movement.  I went out last night and got some All Pet Pine and that seems to do the trick.  Although the bag says safe if eaten, the kittens are not showing any interest in eating this new stuff.  :) Cyndy :)

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I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them.

I remember "stories" too, but I never saw any documentation that these were more than urban legends. I’d think vets would be reporting these problems if they were real–yet none have. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them. I remember "stories" too, but I never saw any documentation that these were more than urban legends. I’d think vets would be reporting these problems if they were real–yet none have. yngver

I don’t know about ingesting litter, but when I used clumping litter with my 17 year old CRF kitty, because of her condition she couldn’t move out of the box very quickly and the litter would stick between her toes from when she was burying the liquid waste.  It was horrible trying to get it out.  The stuff was like cement. Mickey & Meesha’s Photo Page: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

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When Cat Fancy did a survey of 200 vets across the U.S., not one had ever seen a health problem in cats that was related to the use of clumping litter. I have no qualms about using it myself.

shouldn’t you just use a toilet instead?  g<

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I don’t know about ingesting litter, but when I used clumping litter with my 17 year old CRF kitty, because of her condition she couldn’t move out of the box very quickly and the litter would stick between her toes from when she was burying the liquid waste.  It was horrible trying to get it out.  The stuff was like cement.

And did that affect her health? One of our cats does seem to have a habit of getting her feet wet somewhere and then immediately running into the litter box, so a little sticks to her feet. I haven’t had much trouble getting it off, though. I just use a wet washcloth and wipe it off. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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And did that affect her health? One of our cats does seem to have a habit of getting her feet wet somewhere and then immediately running into the litter box, so a little sticks to her feet. I haven’t had much trouble getting it off, though. I just use a wet washcloth and wipe it off.

I don’t know if it affected her health because she was already in the end stages of the kidney disease.  I did try the wet wash cloth which helped loosen some of the bigger clumps, but believe me, it was so stuck on her toes, I actually ended up having to cut it out finally with a little manicure scissors.  It was horrible and just like cement.  I think the brand may have been Tidy Cat but I really don’t remember.  I ended up switching to a clay litter and had no problems. Lauren Mickey & Meesha’s Photo Page: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

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I don’t know if it affected her health because she was already in the end stages of the kidney disease.  I did try the wet wash cloth which helped loosen some of the bigger clumps, but believe me, it was so stuck on her toes, I actually ended up having to cut it out finally with a little manicure scissors. It was horrible and just like cement.  I think the brand may have been Tidy Cat but I really don’t remember.  I ended up switching to a clay litter and had no problems.

We have always used Everclean, so I don’t know if Tidy Cat clumps harder. Sounds as though it could be a problem for sick cats like yours. I would never go back to non-clumping (I remember too well the days before it came on the market) but have tried some of the alternatives that are not made of clay. Unfortunately, none of these worked as well for us as Everclean, and the odor was much worse (there doesn’t ever seem to be any odor with Everclean). However, some people do have good luck with clumping litters that made of alternative substances, like wheat. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well. Anna (& Orpheus & Echo)

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I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch?

When Cat Fancy did a survey of 200 vets across the U.S., not one had ever seen a health problem in cats that was related to the use of clumping litter. I have no qualms about using it myself. Also, I am not sure that bacteria or germs could live in a dry medium like clumping litter once the clumps are removed (we scoop twice a day, though). If the clumps start to stick to the pan, it’s time to dump it out, clean out the pan, and start fresh. It seems to me that bacteria would be much more likely to survive in non-clumping litter, which stays wet. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well.

I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them. My sister’s cats got very sick, and I think it was the kitty litter, but she never asked the vet to confirm that. I have always been leery of it, so I use wheat kitty litter, called sweatscoop. It is scoopable, clumps, though slowly, does NOT expand, and it is edible and digestible. No harm at all if they ingest it. It smells good, is less dusty, and it keeps the odor down pretty well. I really like it, and I have been using it for a few years now. It costs more than the clay or silicone litters, but I feel better knowing there is no risk to my cats. It is possible that the early reports were wrong or that the litters were changed, but I just don’t trust that. Too many companies with a lot to lose if a problem was documented. Meghan & the Zoo Crew  (Maynard, Kira, Jenny, & Chase) Friesians in the Northwest http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

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I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well.

We use Cat Country Organic which is made from plant fiber.  It is not clumping litter, is virtually dust free and is great on odor control.  The only problem is that the pellets are on the large side but my cats don’t seem to mind.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well. Anna (& Orpheus & Echo)

While I have never had a problem with my cats using scoopable litter, the 4 kittens I am taking care of began to eat the clay litter.  One little boy kitten was very ill, couldn’t poop, and wouldn’t eat anything.  I got some laxitone down him last night and early this morning and he was finally able to pass it out.  I could see the litter in his movement.  I went out last night and got some All Pet Pine and that seems to do the trick.  Although the bag says safe if eaten, the kittens are not showing any interest in eating this new stuff.  :) Cyndy :)

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I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them.

I remember "stories" too, but I never saw any documentation that these were more than urban legends. I’d think vets would be reporting these problems if they were real–yet none have. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them. I remember "stories" too, but I never saw any documentation that these were more than urban legends. I’d think vets would be reporting these problems if they were real–yet none have. yngver

I don’t know about ingesting litter, but when I used clumping litter with my 17 year old CRF kitty, because of her condition she couldn’t move out of the box very quickly and the litter would stick between her toes from when she was burying the liquid waste.  It was horrible trying to get it out.  The stuff was like cement. Mickey & Meesha’s Photo Page: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

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When Cat Fancy did a survey of 200 vets across the U.S., not one had ever seen a health problem in cats that was related to the use of clumping litter. I have no qualms about using it myself.

shouldn’t you just use a toilet instead?  g<

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I don’t know about ingesting litter, but when I used clumping litter with my 17 year old CRF kitty, because of her condition she couldn’t move out of the box very quickly and the litter would stick between her toes from when she was burying the liquid waste.  It was horrible trying to get it out.  The stuff was like cement.

And did that affect her health? One of our cats does seem to have a habit of getting her feet wet somewhere and then immediately running into the litter box, so a little sticks to her feet. I haven’t had much trouble getting it off, though. I just use a wet washcloth and wipe it off. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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And did that affect her health? One of our cats does seem to have a habit of getting her feet wet somewhere and then immediately running into the litter box, so a little sticks to her feet. I haven’t had much trouble getting it off, though. I just use a wet washcloth and wipe it off.

I don’t know if it affected her health because she was already in the end stages of the kidney disease.  I did try the wet wash cloth which helped loosen some of the bigger clumps, but believe me, it was so stuck on her toes, I actually ended up having to cut it out finally with a little manicure scissors.  It was horrible and just like cement.  I think the brand may have been Tidy Cat but I really don’t remember.  I ended up switching to a clay litter and had no problems. Lauren Mickey & Meesha’s Photo Page: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

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I don’t know if it affected her health because she was already in the end stages of the kidney disease.  I did try the wet wash cloth which helped loosen some of the bigger clumps, but believe me, it was so stuck on her toes, I actually ended up having to cut it out finally with a little manicure scissors. It was horrible and just like cement.  I think the brand may have been Tidy Cat but I really don’t remember.  I ended up switching to a clay litter and had no problems.

We have always used Everclean, so I don’t know if Tidy Cat clumps harder. Sounds as though it could be a problem for sick cats like yours. I would never go back to non-clumping (I remember too well the days before it came on the market) but have tried some of the alternatives that are not made of clay. Unfortunately, none of these worked as well for us as Everclean, and the odor was much worse (there doesn’t ever seem to be any odor with Everclean). However, some people do have good luck with clumping litters that made of alternative substances, like wheat. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well. Anna (& Orpheus & Echo)

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I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch?

When Cat Fancy did a survey of 200 vets across the U.S., not one had ever seen a health problem in cats that was related to the use of clumping litter. I have no qualms about using it myself. Also, I am not sure that bacteria or germs could live in a dry medium like clumping litter once the clumps are removed (we scoop twice a day, though). If the clumps start to stick to the pan, it’s time to dump it out, clean out the pan, and start fresh. It seems to me that bacteria would be much more likely to survive in non-clumping litter, which stays wet. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well.

I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them. My sister’s cats got very sick, and I think it was the kitty litter, but she never asked the vet to confirm that. I have always been leery of it, so I use wheat kitty litter, called sweatscoop. It is scoopable, clumps, though slowly, does NOT expand, and it is edible and digestible. No harm at all if they ingest it. It smells good, is less dusty, and it keeps the odor down pretty well. I really like it, and I have been using it for a few years now. It costs more than the clay or silicone litters, but I feel better knowing there is no risk to my cats. It is possible that the early reports were wrong or that the litters were changed, but I just don’t trust that. Too many companies with a lot to lose if a problem was documented. Meghan & the Zoo Crew  (Maynard, Kira, Jenny, & Chase) Friesians in the Northwest http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

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I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well.

We use Cat Country Organic which is made from plant fiber.  It is not clumping litter, is virtually dust free and is great on odor control.  The only problem is that the pellets are on the large side but my cats don’t seem to mind.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All this talk about litter has started me thinking again. I’ve always used plain old disposable clay cat litter and had heard that clumping litter can be bad for cats: 1. because if any litter sticks to them and they lick it off, it will clump inside them and 2. because simply removing the clumps does not remove the bacteria, germs, etc. that are in the box. Are these genuine concerns or is it time for me to switch? People were talking about dusty litter & the plain clay disposable is really dusty! I haven’t tried subs like paper pellet litters at all so I’d be interested to hear about other kinds of disposable litter as well. Anna (& Orpheus & Echo)

While I have never had a problem with my cats using scoopable litter, the 4 kittens I am taking care of began to eat the clay litter.  One little boy kitten was very ill, couldn’t poop, and wouldn’t eat anything.  I got some laxitone down him last night and early this morning and he was finally able to pass it out.  I could see the litter in his movement.  I went out last night and got some All Pet Pine and that seems to do the trick.  Although the bag says safe if eaten, the kittens are not showing any interest in eating this new stuff.  :) Cyndy :)

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I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them.

I remember "stories" too, but I never saw any documentation that these were more than urban legends. I’d think vets would be reporting these problems if they were real–yet none have. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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I remember lots of stories of kittens dying after ingesting clumping litter that expanded inside them. I remember "stories" too, but I never saw any documentation that these were more than urban legends. I’d think vets would be reporting these problems if they were real–yet none have. yngver

I don’t know about ingesting litter, but when I used clumping litter with my 17 year old CRF kitty, because of her condition she couldn’t move out of the box very quickly and the litter would stick between her toes from when she was burying the liquid waste.  It was horrible trying to get it out.  The stuff was like cement. Mickey & Meesha’s Photo Page: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

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When Cat Fancy did a survey of 200 vets across the U.S., not one had ever seen a health problem in cats that was related to the use of clumping litter. I have no qualms about using it myself.

shouldn’t you just use a toilet instead?  g<

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I don’t know about ingesting litter, but when I used clumping litter with my 17 year old CRF kitty, because of her condition she couldn’t move out of the box very quickly and the litter would stick between her toes from when she was burying the liquid waste.  It was horrible trying to get it out.  The stuff was like cement.

And did that affect her health? One of our cats does seem to have a habit of getting her feet wet somewhere and then immediately running into the litter box, so a little sticks to her feet. I haven’t had much trouble getting it off, though. I just use a wet washcloth and wipe it off. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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And did that affect her health? One of our cats does seem to have a habit of getting her feet wet somewhere and then immediately running into the litter box, so a little sticks to her feet. I haven’t had much trouble getting it off, though. I just use a wet washcloth and wipe it off.

I don’t know if it affected her health because she was already in the end stages of the kidney disease.  I did try the wet wash cloth which helped loosen some of the bigger clumps, but believe me, it was so stuck on her toes, I actually ended up having to cut it out finally with a little manicure scissors.  It was horrible and just like cement.  I think the brand may have been Tidy Cat but I really don’t remember.  I ended up switching to a clay litter and had no problems. Lauren Mickey & Meesha’s Photo Page: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1278826&a=9501548

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I don’t know if it affected her health because she was already in the end stages of the kidney disease.  I did try the wet wash cloth which helped loosen some of the bigger clumps, but believe me, it was so stuck on her toes, I actually ended up having to cut it out finally with a little manicure scissors. It was horrible and just like cement.  I think the brand may have been Tidy Cat but I really don’t remember.  I ended up switching to a clay litter and had no problems.

We have always used Everclean, so I don’t know if Tidy Cat clumps harder. Sounds as though it could be a problem for sick cats like yours. I would never go back to non-clumping (I remember too well the days before it came on the market) but have tried some of the alternatives that are not made of clay. Unfortunately, none of these worked as well for us as Everclean, and the odor was much worse (there doesn’t ever seem to be any odor with Everclean). However, some people do have good luck with clumping litters that made of alternative substances, like wheat. yngver (delete "nojunk" to e-mail)

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     Steven, I can’t seem to email you (address won’t work), so I’ll just post a note to you here. As mentioned on previous page, best thing Colleen can do is keep the hyperglycemia in check. New study on rats suggests selenium supplement reduces overall plasma glucose levels and greatly reduces effect of hyperglycemia in kidneys. Selenium has an antioxidant effect, and appears to have an insulin-like effect in lowering blood glucose. Source: Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology & Medicine; quoted in December 1996 issue of "Diabetes Wellness Letter," published by Diabetes Research & Wellness Foundation, P.O. Box 231, Shrub Oak, NY  10588. Subscription includes 800# Helpline. Susie.

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request from friend Colleen, a Type 1 diabetic for 23 yrs. with kidney problems and *low* blood pressure, for info on the wisdom of being placed on ACE inhibitors to help with kidney problems.      Steven and Colleen, I hope someone with more knowledge than I responds to your question quickly. Since ACE (angiotensin-converting enzyme) inhibitors are intended to alleviate *high* blood pressure, this does not strike me as the wisest medical approach.      The only treatments my little medical book discuss are hemodialysis using artificial kidney and replacement of diseased kidneys with healthy transplants. Meanwhile, it urges good glucose control to postpone medical input. He’s been quite helpful to me. Hope Colleen’s situation becomes brighter. This is *one tough disease* to battle! Susie.

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I have another more specific question verbatim from my diabetic friend (From Colleen’s lips to my fingertips..) " Hi I am a 33 year old diabetic.  I have had Type 1 diabetes for 23 years.  My doctor has informed me that I am in the early stages of kidney disease.  He has recommended that I begin taking a low dose ACE Inhibitor (such as Monopril).  My main concern is how the taking of this medication will affect me since I have LOW BLOOD PRESSURE.  Does any one know, or has a contact who knows, how this will affect me? Hugs and Kisses Colleen…."

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Heart disease and strokes are 2-6 times more common among people who have diabetes and, unfortunately, while we must all try to avoid/prevent hypoglycemic episodes and detect/treat them at the earliest possible stages, they can and do happen to even the most "perfect" and attentive diabetics, particularly those following a program of "intensive therapy," which many conscientious diabetics are using. The tragic truth is that diabetes remains a disease that kills and is without cure.  It is the leading cause of new cases of kidney disease, blindness, amputation and impotence and one of the leading causes of death by disease. Glad you asked about it!  

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. . . the death of Dana Hill . . . . . . I am just not making the connection between strokes and diabetes.

I was told yesterday by my Neurologist that I had "Diabetic Stroke(s)" during the last 5 years which has caused what appears to be unrecoverable damage to different areas of my brain, most significant that of memory and personality.  They have been "tiny" and not noticeable but are a definite complication of Diabetes. They have not shown up on any tests done in the last 4 months, nor are they currently showing on a CAT scan nor has there been any significant changes between cat scans over the last several years.  He has ordered EEG, Brain Spect (Nuclear Medicine Dept.) and a MRI. The first two will be done with in the next two weeks, but I’m told it usually takes a month even to make an appointment for an MRI plus a couple of months wait!  Such is the Canadian System of Health Care Waiting Lists (that we are told don’t really exist and if they did exist, they are being reduced all the time).  I’m to go on a cancellation list (I felt like saying what, created by those who die waiting first?) Since it is my life and my well being we are talking about here can anyone advise the how soon and how much it would cost to have an MRI done in the USA?       —       Carbohydrates — I keep my consumption LOW        Laughter is a quick and effective way          to create a collaborative climate           — so I looked into the mirror.

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I have been married to a type I diabetic for four years.  He is 36 years old, I am 34.  My husband was diagnosed at age 9 and apparently had some horrible memories at the Joslin clinic.  At any rate, he is still bitter and upset about this disease.  

[list of complications] Here is my problem.  While he exercises quite a lot, eats very healthy (watching protein and carb intake) and takes all of his meds, he refuses to test his blood sugar.  I go to his endo with him most of the time, as I do all of his dr. appointments/surgeries.  I sit and cry as the endo pleads, cajoles, threatens, and reasons with him to take this step toward better control, but he says that he just "can’t".  

Eek.  I don’t know how I would deal in that situation.  My sweetheart is a few years younger than your husband, and has been diabetic for about as long, but he has had much fewer and less severe complications.  There have been times when we were together and his control has been lacking enough to bother me — late night hypos can be scary — but, when we’ve talked about it, he’s been willing to test more frequently in order to avoid the problem. Perhaps, if he "can’t" do finger-stick bg tests, he can at least do urine testing?  That could give him *some* information to help keep his diet and insulin adjusted, although not as much as the finger-stick tests. I do understand how he can want to have control over at least one aspect of how he lives his life, but my question is:  How do I deal with his refusal?  

I don’t know.  If I were talking to one of my school friends about a boyfriend, I’d say, leave.  It’s sad, but that’s what I’d say.  It is *not* fair to you for him to not take that *basic* step to keep his disease under control. In four years of marraige, we have bought and then had to sell our brand new home because of complications from diabetes, have been afraid to have children, I have been locked into a job which I don’t particularly care for because it provides free health coverage for him, and he has suffered so much because of his stubborn refusal to take this step towards control.  

Has he said *why* he won’t test? I suspect that I need to let him live with as much choice as possible, but it is the hardest lesson I have ever had to learn.  

I’m sure you *and* his doctor have said this to him many times, but testing is a way for him to *have* more choice.  If he *knows* what his BG is, he can safely choose to eat what he wants and exercise how he wants — he can adjust his insulin to his life, rather than his life to his insulin. Our lives are ultimately being controlled by this disease even though he believes that he is controlling things.  He says that he just wants to be "normal".  

He’s been diabetic, what, 27 years — and he still thinks he can hide from it.  He wants to not be diabetic, and that’s *not* something he can do.   Have you talked to him about seeking psychiatric help?  *Someone* needs to figure out what’s keeping him from dealing with his diabetes, and how to get past it.  And he hasn’t. For those of you who have been kind enough to read this far, please send me your bits of wisdom.  Help me see things from my husband’s perspective.  I wish you all well.

I don’t think I can or have shown your things from your husband’s perspective — I’m much nearer where you are than where he is.  I think the best I have to offer is my sympathy and my hopes that things get better.                                                         Rachel — Rachel Meredith Kadel or, for the adventurously inclined, Bean-na-Sidhe Honorary Fellow of Brad’s School of Piano Tuning and Bible Technology

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I have been married to a type I diabetic for four years.  He is 36 years old, I am 34.  My husband was diagnosed at age 9 and apparently had some horrible memories at the Joslin clinic.  At any rate, he is still bitter and upset about this disease.  Since we have gotten married, he has developed retinopathy which, for a time, left him legally blind (after four vitrectomy operations and numerous laser sessions his vision has been corrected to 20/25 in one eye, but has left the other with a cataract).  He also has the beginning stages of kidney disease, neuropathy which keeps him up many nights, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol.  Sound awful?  Well, it has been tough for him.  He is now unemployed because it has taken almost two years for doctors to restore his sight to where it is now.(Thank God we have been able to come this far.)  He does not drive a car anymore because he doesn’t feel comfortable enough with the limitations of his sight/depth perception.  He now takes numerous medications to control his blood pressure, cholesterol, and edema.   He also takes pain meds when neuropathy gets crazy, although I suspect that many of you know that this medication is mostly a waste of his time.  The irony of this situation is that his physical appearance is that of an athlete.  To look at him, you would never suspect that he is dealing with all of this. Here is my problem.  While he exercises quite a lot, eats very healthy (watching protein and carb intake) and takes all of his meds, he refuses to test his blood sugar.  I go to his endo with him most of the time, as I do all of his dr. appointments/surgeries.  I sit and cry as the endo pleads, cajoles, threatens, and reasons with him to take this step toward better control, but he says that he just "can’t".   I do understand how he can want to have control over at least one aspect of how he lives his life, but my question is:  How do I deal with his refusal?  In four years of marraige, we have bought and then had to sell our brand new home because of complications from diabetes, have been afraid to have children, I have been locked into a job which I don’t particularly care for because it provides free health coverage for him, and he has suffered so much because of his stubborn refusal to take this step towards control.  I suspect that I need to let him live with as much choice as possible, but it is the hardest lesson I have ever had to learn.  Our lives are ultimately being controlled by this disease even though he believes that he is controlling things.  He says that he just wants to be "normal".  The way we live is far from "normal".  I want a husband who will be around for a long time, employed or not, a child who will grow up with a father, and a chance to choose the course of our lives, not allowing diabetes to control us.   For those of you who have been kind enough to read this far, please send me your bits of wisdom.  Help me see things from my husband’s perspective.  I wish you all well. Thanks, Del

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