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A Laxative will not cleanse the liver, but will cleanse the bowel, maybe… and maybe the laxative will keep some toxic stuff from going to the liver…. or being stored in the saline caverty.
### Just where is this Saline-cavity? .. that might be some motivation for colon cleansing.
### So cleaning the colon may also clean out this saline-cavity? Is it in the pouch of Douglas by any chance? This does not say what I agree with… but states some facts of bio-science.
### You lack any facts about bio science… well, you might have the colon in the right area. — Carol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Let’s review some basic medical terminology, shall we? The saline caverty is a modool ramprin lovated on the hasmat. Euretha brings excretion into the bladder dumplies the hoojmian.
ROFLMAO!!!! 
— Carol
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$$$ Note,… webTV no less. Let’s review some basic anatomy, shall we? The unabsorbed nutrient goes into the mouth where it is joined with fluid from the salivary glands.
$$$ Got that right so far….. Then to the esophagus, in the esophagus there is a line to the liver which will take vitamin D if it is supplied.
$$$ Er,… is this LINE like a garden hose but smaller or like a washline? What kind of line is it as it’s just showing up in Gray’s Anatomy here. Passing by the Pancreas gland, if there is any vitamin A, some of it is absorbed.
$$$ As it goes merrily in it’s way past all the innards…. Oh wait,… the pancreas is now in the throat near the esophagus? Or has it moved into the chest above the stomach? Then on to the stomach joining the juices
$$$ So all this stuff is being absorbed by the old esophagus on the way down? there for further mastication before entering the colon.
$$$ I think you forgot many, many feet of small intestine. Immediately upon entrance into the colon there is a tube $$$ Another tube? Like an endotrachial tube perhaps? A tube of toothpaste? and it is here that some vitamins and minerals go to the liver.
$$$ From the COLON???? And here I was taught that it’s mainly a holding area for waste before it leaves the body, that most nutrients have already been removed…. silly teacher I had. The material in the colon then sends by the procress of osmosis material into the saline caverty.
$$$ Is that like a balloon of some kind? A SALINE cavity? Have you learned anatomy on ALIENS from out of space? All left over material is then sent to the ilium and then through the anus for elimination.
$$$ Yes,.. had to have been aliens,… from a galaxy far away. The blood receives it’s nutrients from the saline caverty by osmosis.
$$$ I can’t believe what I’m reading here!!!! She has no CLUE how the innards operate. The kidneys receive nutrients from the saline caverty and blood filtration.
$$$ Yes,.. the kidneys go down and wallow in all that food rich saline and then return all nourished and ready to go…. The bladder receives some osmosis, also, $$$ Unreal… it’s beyond stupidity! but is attached to the Euretha which brings excretion into the bladder.
### If you even ever LOOKED at an anatomy book you would know that its’ the URETERS that bring the urine down to the bladder and the urine LEAVES the bladder via the *urethra.* How can this woman even BUY a degree? — Carol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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that thinks this is a column to learn anything…. It’s a place to huff, puff, and befaw…
$$$ You are in no condition to TEACH anyone anything dear Bertha. You don’t have a CLUE!!!! Come on now, let’s hear some more of your intelligence Kali.
$$$ Bertha…. PLEASE go get yourself a cheap anatomy book and READ the darn thing! I read your pages..
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I would recommend reading a good textbook on the digestive tract from the library. Isn’t it funny how we don’t think to do something as straightforward as that? (No i am not putting you down – I am speaking rhetorically).
But many of the the true fanatics would accuse the book’s author of being part of the <*GASP*… vast conspiracy out there. 
) — Carol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s up, Connie? Do you have a liver disease? Maybe we can discuss some exciting things — some REAL research in alt-med that does not give we proponents a black eye because of outlandishness. One of them is Milk Thistle. Milk thistle extract is occasionally used to stimulate the appetite, but its primary use is for liver and gallbladder problems. Silymarin (from Milk Thistle) in proprietary extracts has been shown to have the ability to protect the liver from a range of things. Silymarin seems to have a membrane-stabilizing activity that prevents bad things from getting into the cells, probably by competing for the receptors, or perhaps through antioxidant action and free radical scavenging. It also stimulates the synthesis of ribosomal RNA, an important step in cell regeneration, and inhibits lipid peroxidation. Silymarin appears helpful as supportive treatment for chronic liver inflammation from hepatitis or cirrhosis. Some, but not all, clinical studies have shown measurable improvement in liver function tests when silymarin is given to people with alcohol-induced liver damage. Silybin has also been tested for its ability to protect the kidney from damage due to drugs and chemotherapeutic agents. Silymarin has anti-inflammatory activity and appears to have beneficial effects on T-lymphocytes, possibly enhancing immunity. Silymarin may slightly reduce the manufacture of cholesterol in the liver and seems to encourage bile excretion. Bile duct inflammation responds well to treatment with this herb. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
AGREED!! I take it along with doing the cleanses and flushes. Jan
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place today) Much good reading and sounds.sooooo very familiar. What’s more it works!! Hulda say the liver cleanse is the *one* most important thing you can do for your health!! Thanks Connie. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Alrighty – I’ll dig out my old Gray’s Anatomy and Mobley Med encyclopedia – in the meantime give this site a read – I’ve posted it before because I found it very informative – sorry if you’ve already looked at it – , a combination Western and Oriental approach to liver health, when you have time and let me know the more westernized skeptical version in a nutshell: http://www.sensiblehealth.com http://www.sensiblehealth.com/#Topic_Liver Godspeed. Connie Oriental medicine relies on old-fashioned, medieval concepts that won’t help us here. It’s strong point lies in taking time with people in a hands on setting, not in understanding of modern physiology. You are alluding to the 5 element theory in which tastes correspond organ function. Lemons constricting the liver (even if this was possible or beneficial) doesn’t relate to the mechanism by which oily foods affect the gallbladder and bile production. Like I say, I think you would enjoy a nice text on the GI system that goes into detail with good illustrations. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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Alrighty – I’ll dig out my old Gray’s Anatomy and Mobley Med encyclopedia – in the meantime give this site a read – I’ve posted it before because I found it very informative – sorry if you’ve already looked at it – , a combination Western and Oriental approach to liver health, when you have time and let me know the more westernized skeptical version in a nutshell: http://www.sensiblehealth.com http://www.sensiblehealth.com/#Topic_Liver Godspeed. Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oriental medicine relies on old-fashioned, medieval concepts that won’t help us here. It’s strong point lies in taking time with people in a hands on setting, not in understanding of modern physiology. You are alluding to the 5 element theory in which tastes correspond organ function. Lemons constricting the liver (even if this was possible or beneficial) doesn’t relate to the mechanism by which oily foods affect the gallbladder and bile production. Like I say, I think you would enjoy a nice text on the GI system that goes into detail with good illustrations. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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There are some things that ordinary man,
So you are implying that you possess knowledge beyond we ordinary people? Whew! Now I don’t have to worry about being such a smart ass know-it-all. Ya dun beat me! or even medical doctors do not talk about. One is natural airways of the body… think a minute before responding…
I’m thinking. The only thing that comes close in all of my knowledge of medical terminology is "cavity". And there is more than one. Do you really mean to say THE "caverty"? Enlighten me. What’s going on here? another is saline lines and the caverty of the human body…
Okay, Bertha. Here it is. What the hell is a caverty? Is it a made-up term from Universology? Please define a caverty for us ordinary mundaners. Have you heard of peritoneal dialysis? A farely new pocedure to help relieve the body of toxins.
Well by cracky, Bertha! "Farely" [sic] new? Peritoneal dialysis – using the peritoneal membrane inside the abdomen as a semipermeable membrane – is new? Are you performing this, Bertha? It’s a method of removing impurities or wastes from the blood of people with kidney failure – when the kidneys are unable to do so. And it’s new?! Or just "farely" new? — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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What’s up, Connie? Do you have a liver disease? Maybe we can discuss some exciting things — some REAL research in alt-med that does not give we proponents a black eye because of outlandishness. One of them is Milk Thistle. Milk thistle extract is occasionally used to stimulate the appetite, but its primary use is for liver and gallbladder problems. Silymarin (from Milk Thistle) in proprietary extracts has been shown to have the ability to protect the liver from a range of things. Silymarin seems to have a membrane-stabilizing activity that prevents bad things from getting into the cells, probably by competing for the receptors, or perhaps through antioxidant action and free radical scavenging. It also stimulates the synthesis of ribosomal RNA, an important step in cell regeneration, and inhibits lipid peroxidation. Silymarin appears helpful as supportive treatment for chronic liver inflammation from hepatitis or cirrhosis. Some, but not all, clinical studies have shown measurable improvement in liver function tests when silymarin is given to people with alcohol-induced liver damage. Silybin has also been tested for its ability to protect the kidney from damage due to drugs and chemotherapeutic agents. Silymarin has anti-inflammatory activity and appears to have beneficial effects on T-lymphocytes, possibly enhancing immunity. Silymarin may slightly reduce the manufacture of cholesterol in the liver and seems to encourage bile excretion. Bile duct inflammation responds well to treatment with this herb. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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I surely hope there is no one out there that thinks this is a column to learn anything…. It’s a place to huff, puff, and befaw… Come on now, let’s hear some more of your intelligence Kali. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I read your pages…
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There are some things that ordinary man, or even medical doctors do not talk about. One is natural airways of the body… think a minute before responding… another is saline lines and the caverty of the human body… Have you heard of peritoneal dialysis? A farely new pocedure to help relieve the body of toxins.
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I surely hope there is no one out there that thinks this is a column to learn anything…. It’s a place to huff, puff, and befaw… Come on now, let’s hear some more of your intelligence Kali.
No it’s a place to get yer "saline caverty", as you mentioned, cleaned. I read your pages…
I read your posts.
A piece of paper called a certificate does not give you knowledge or intelligence.
Thanks for this, Bertha. It has really helped. I am going forward with FAA avitation mechanic program without any of that certificate crap. You’re right. There are many knowledgeable and deserving people in this world that should not be shunted because of a piece of paper.
This surgeon is going to stick a knife into my Granma to fix a problem she has had ever since that dern accident. Am I restricting myself too much because we are only looking for board certified surgeons, Bertha, or should anyone be able to pull this off without one of those damn pieces of paper? Neither should a paper give anyone a ‘high and mighty’ over an other.
I know what you mean, Bertha. I know an airline captain who thinks he is a lot better pilot than my cousin Vinnie, the bicycle delivery boy. Man does his arrogance steam me. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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Oriental medicine relies on old-fashioned, medieval concepts that won’t help us here. It’s strong point lies in taking time with people in a hands on setting, not in understanding of modern physiology. You are alluding to the 5 element theory in which tastes correspond organ function. Lemons constricting the liver (even if this was possible or beneficial) doesn’t relate to the mechanism by which oily foods affect the gallbladder and bile production. Like I say, I think you would enjoy a nice text on the GI system that goes into detail with good illustrations. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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Sorry, Bertha – I can’t help it. What the heck is the "saline caverty"? — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Laxative will not cleanse the liver, but will cleanse the bowel, maybe… and maybe the laxative will keep some toxic stuff from going to the liver…. or being stored in the saline caverty… that might be some motivation for colon cleansing. This does not say what I agree with… but states some facts of bio-science.
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Let’s review some basic medical terminology, shall we? The saline caverty is a modool ramprin lovated on the hasmat. Euretha brings excretion into the bladder dumplies the hoojmian. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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A Laxative will not cleanse the liver, but will cleanse the bowel, maybe… and maybe the laxative will keep some toxic stuff from going to the liver…. or being stored in the saline caverty… that might be some motivation for colon cleansing. This does not say what I agree with… but states some facts of bio-science.
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alt.fan.mario-bello I was always taught not to waste much time arguing with drunks and fanatics. Every time I check back in to this NG, the people have obviously changed. So it usually takes a while to identify those bizarre, hopeless whackheads who are way too far gone to reach so I can simply killfile them. They don’t deserve the time of day. Kali ATTITUDE DETERMINES ALTITUDE
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Let’s review some basic anatomy, shall we? The unabsorbed nutrient goes into the mouth where it is joined with fluid from the salivary glands. Then to the esophagus, in the esophagus there is a line to the liver which will take vitamin D if it is supplied. Passing by the Pancreas gland, if there is any vitamin A, some of it is absorbed. Then on to the stomach joining the juices there for further mastication before entering the colon. Immediately upon entrance into the colon there is a tube and it is here that some vitamins and minerals go to the liver. The material in the colon then sends by the procress of osmosis material into the saline caverty. All left over material is then sent to the ilium and then through the anus for elimination. The blood receives it’s nutrients from the saline caverty by osmosis. The kidneys receive nutrients from the saline caverty and blood filtration. The bladder receives some osmosis, also, but is attached to the Euretha which brings excretion into the bladder.
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Substances with a molecular weight of 600 or less can be delivered right through the skin.
Yes, of course. But the poor attempt at a point I was trying to make was that most things wind up in the blood stream, which is filtered by the liver. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know about a laxative, such as a bulk like psyllium, but it would seem that there can be substances which make the liver constrict – as in lemons? Or fat – seems to make the liver have a fit of some kind? And as the liver is the main filter, doesn’t everything go through there???? And I’m only asking. Don’t know. I’m just ignorant and I’ll share your worms with you later – night crawlers – ymmm. : ) Ha ha ha….. Well, Connie, I would recommend reading a good textbook on the digestive tract from the library. Isn’t it funny how we don’t think to do something as straightforward as that? (No i am not putting you down – I am speaking rhetorically).
I have a basic understanding of digestion from anatomy & phys 304- saliva breaks down food in the mouth, acids continue to break down in the stomach, on into duodenum bile added from gall bladder, which was produced by the liver, on through to large and small intestines where absorbables are taken back into the blood stream, through the Liver, to the heart, throughout the body, to oversimplify – close? Okay. The understanding I am seeking, which seems to be generally known in the oriental medicine is the action some things have on the liver, as in lemons – usually used for cleanses. If fatty, greasy foods can cause gall bladder attacks, why not lemons, etc. causing liver "cleanses?" Or if one were to question if ingested substances affect the liver, look at the relationship between alcohol and liver ill-health. So, could not the opposite be true? I’m really trying to understand. Thanks for your patience. Godspeed. Connie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/ Testing 123 – is killfilter on? Nope. Okay. I’ll risk being ignorant again. I’m assuming the liver "cleanse" to be an action of constriction of the liver – the opposite of say a vaso-dialator in the veins? How does one taking a vasodialator by mouth get it into the blood stream??????? Substances with a molecular weight of 600 or less can be delivered right through the skin. I don’t know about a laxative, such as a bulk like psyllium, but it would seem that there can be substances which make the liver constrict – as in lemons? Or fat – seems to make the liver have a fit of some kind? And as the liver is the main filter, doesn’t everything go through there???? And I’m only asking. Don’t know. I’m just ignorant and I’ll share your worms with you later – night crawlers – ymmm. : ) Ha ha ha….. Well, Connie, I would recommend reading a good textbook on the digestive tract from the library. Isn’t it funny how we don’t think to do something as straightforward as that? (No i am not putting you down – I am speaking rhetorically).
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One of the funniest techniques is to take it a step further through outright fabrication. For instance, if they start talking about, let’s say, a new fad like the Blood Type diet, I’ll say something to take it a step further into the ozone – and then another step further, etc. I’ll say it with a straight face just to see how far I can get. Since I enjoy studying this claptrap in detail, I often know more about it than them and can really take them over a cliff. That sounds pretty cruel, but, as Mario Bello taught me, no one is going to change really their minds through rationality. Might as well get out the bull horn.
You really enjoy setting someone up??? If someone wants to have an intelligent debate about the various interesting, promising things in alt-med, then this is what I thought this was all about. I’m not asking for brain surgeons, but some of these people are so miserably medically and scientifically illiterate it is shocking. It’s amazing to me how some people buy into some of this really way out holistic and mystical crap. But I also try to have a lot of compassion and patience with them, though at times it is really tough. They don’t realize what they reveal about themselves, because they buy into this stuff. I will even go along with them to a degree at first. That’s because I think we should ENCOURAGE them to be bamboozled and befuddled by it since it will possibly help render them more impotent.
I imagine people turn to your ‘really way out holistic and mystical crap’ because they were not SERVED by their M.D. They either were unable to provide a diagnosis and corresponding relief of symtons or they were diagnosed incorrectly. The other option I can think of is an experience with traditional (hmmm, is allopathy really traditional. I should think herbs are the traditional medicine, but I digress.) medicine which impacted a loved one. A negative experience, such as this provides an enormous impetus and mindset that avoids reliving the scenario. There are marginal alt-med approaches that sincere people legitimately await further evidence on – that’s okay. But someone who is going to talk about "liver cleanses" or using ground glass poultices for hemorrhoids should just be killfiled as the pathetic losers they are. We’ve got to draw the line somewhere. For instance, if someone is asked repeatedly how in the holy hell can a LAXATIVE mix make it to the liver to cleanse it and they can’t answer, then screw ‘em. Leave them to their own devices.
I must have missed the above referenced post. C. Bond.
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– Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
Testing 123 – is killfilter on?
Nope. Okay. I’ll risk being ignorant again. I’m assuming the liver "cleanse" to be an action of constriction of the liver – the opposite of say a vaso-dialator in the veins? How does one taking a vasodialator by mouth get it into the blood stream???????
Substances with a molecular weight of 600 or less can be delivered right through the skin. I don’t know about a laxative, such as a bulk like psyllium, but it would seem that there can be substances which make the liver constrict – as in lemons? Or fat – seems to make the liver have a fit of some kind? And as the liver is the main filter, doesn’t everything go through there???? And I’m only asking. Don’t know. I’m just ignorant and I’ll share your worms with you later – night crawlers – ymmm. : )
Ha ha ha….. Well, Connie, I would recommend reading a good textbook on the digestive tract from the library. Isn’t it funny how we don’t think to do something as straightforward as that? (No i am not putting you down – I am speaking rhetorically).
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I was always taught not to waste much time arguing with drunks and fanatics.
A good philosophy. Me, too. Every time I check back in to this NG, the people have obviously changed. So it usually takes a while to identify those bizarre, hopeless whackheads who are way too far gone to reach so I can simply killfile them. They don’t deserve the time of day.
Testing 123 – is killfilter on? <snipped If someone wants to have an intelligent debate about the various interesting, promising things in alt-med, then this is what I thought this was all about. I’m not asking for brain surgeons, but some of these people are so miserably medically and scientifically illiterate it is shocking.
Well, we can’t all be brain surgeons, now, can we? <snipped There are marginal alt-med approaches that sincere people legitimately await further evidence on – that’s okay. But someone who is going to talk about "liver cleanses" or using ground glass poultices for hemorrhoids should just be killfiled as the pathetic losers they are. We’ve got to draw the line somewhere. For instance, if someone is asked repeatedly how in the holy hell can a LAXATIVE mix make it to the liver to cleanse it and they can’t answer, then screw ‘em. Leave them to their own devices.
Okay. I’ll risk being ignorant again. I’m assuming the liver "cleanse" to be an action of constriction of the liver – the opposite of say a vaso-dialator in the veins? How does one taking a vasodialator by mouth get it into the blood stream??????? I don’t know about a laxative, such as a bulk like psyllium, but it would seem that there can be substances which make the liver constrict – as in lemons? Or fat – seems to make the liver have a fit of some kind? And as the liver is the main filter, doesn’t everything go through there???? And I’m only asking. Don’t know. I’m just ignorant and I’ll share your worms with you later – night crawlers – ymmm. : ) — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
Godspeed. Connie
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I was always taught not to waste much time arguing with drunks and fanatics. Every time I check back in to this NG, the people have obviously changed. So it usually takes a while to identify those bizarre, hopeless whackheads who are way too far gone to reach so I can simply killfile them. They don’t deserve the time of day. One of the funniest techniques is to take it a step further through outright fabrication. For instance, if they start talking about, let’s say, a new fad like the Blood Type diet, I’ll say something to take it a step further into the ozone – and then another step further, etc. I’ll say it with a straight face just to see how far I can get. Since I enjoy studying this claptrap in detail, I often know more about it than them and can really take them over a cliff. That sounds pretty cruel, but, as Mario Bello taught me, no one is going to change really their minds through rationality. Might as well get out the bull horn. If someone wants to have an intelligent debate about the various interesting, promising things in alt-med, then this is what I thought this was all about. I’m not asking for brain surgeons, but some of these people are so miserably medically and scientifically illiterate it is shocking. It’s amazing to me how some people buy into some of this really way out holistic and mystical crap. But I also try to have a lot of compassion and patience with them, though at times it is really tough. They don’t realize what they reveal about themselves, because they buy into this stuff. I will even go along with them to a degree at first. That’s because I think we should ENCOURAGE them to be bamboozled and befuddled by it since it will possibly help render them more impotent. All of this reminds me of a symposium I a while back called, "How To Deal With Irrational People." Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? It’s a great subject matter. Of course, only rational people will go to a symposium like that, so it’s like preaching to the converted! There are marginal alt-med approaches that sincere people legitimately await further evidence on – that’s okay. But someone who is going to talk about "liver cleanses" or using ground glass poultices for hemorrhoids should just be killfiled as the pathetic losers they are. We’ve got to draw the line somewhere. For instance, if someone is asked repeatedly how in the holy hell can a LAXATIVE mix make it to the liver to cleanse it and they can’t answer, then screw ‘em. Leave them to their own devices. — Kali On Line; http://members.xoom.com/arniskali/
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