Kidney Disease Support

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This subject seems to come up every couple of months on this newsgroup.  I’ve been using Massengill Douche Powder on my wetsuits, neoprene booties, lifejackets, polypro, and capliene for years.  Works really well "for a clean feeling of freshness"  Use about a 1/4 cup of powder for a small washmachine load or a couple of gallons in a tub (soak for 20-30 minutes then rinse). Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t believe what they told you in the army. Damn, do i have to keep explaining that to you grunts? Piss is FULL of bacteria, ask yer doctor… Try a product called "Sink the Stink".  I have.  It worked very well.  It uses some sort of microbe/bacteria whatever to replace the bacteria that causes odor.  You can not avoid bacteria completely, especially paddling rivers, but you can use this stuff to help keep the stinkies at bay. Scott Barnes

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Don’t believe what they told you in the army. Damn, do i have to keep explaining that to you grunts? Piss is FULL of bacteria, ask yer doctor…

Try a product called "Sink the Stink".  I have.  It worked very well.  It uses some sort of microbe/bacteria whatever to replace the bacteria that causes odor.  You can not avoid bacteria completely, especially paddling rivers, but you can use this stuff to help keep the stinkies at bay. Scott Barnes

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I’m not a medical specialist, but from of the survival training I received in the Army, I believe human urine will not sustain bacteria, that info might be outdated but… Max.

Max, buddy, you are SO right. You are not a medical specialist and your info is outdated. Read:"The Columbia University of Physicians and Surgeons COMPLETE HOME MEDICAL GUIDE" or "Van Nostrand’s SCIENTIFIC ENCYCLOPEDIA" . You think i made that shit up? Don’t believe what they told you in the army. Damn, do i have to keep explaining that to you grunts? Piss is FULL of bacteria, ask yer doctor…

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re; bacteria in urine. My advice? Use cat piss instead. It kills everything.

Wait. I think you left out a step.

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I’m not a medical specialist, but from of the survival training I received in the Army, I believe human urine will not sustain bacteria, contrary to the comments below.  Maybe that’s old information that’s outdated, but it makes sense.  I don’t think the nasty chemicals in urine are real conducive to supporting bacterial growth.  I believe UTIs and sexually transmitted diseases are usually spread by other body fluids.  HOWEVER, I’m not condoning urine in wetsuits….at least not mine.  I make no claims about its effectiveness for disinfecting anything.  I rinse mine out after every use and hang it out open to dry.  Stays pretty fresh that way. Max. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – re; bacteria in urine. After respiratory tract illness, urinary tract infections (UTIs) are the leading cause of physician visits in the US. Women are far more frequent victims than men (except among the elderly). 85% of urinary infections are caused by Escherichia coli. Chlamydia is also available for those of you who are sexually active. In addition there are trace amounts of purine bases and methylayed purines, glucuronates, hippuric acid and amino acid. In pathological states other substances may appear, proteins (caused by nephrosis) and glucose (diabetes). My advice? Use cat piss instead. It kills everything. Need more useless information or stupid advice? Just ask.

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re; bacteria in urine. After respiratory tract illness, urinary tract infections (UTIs) are the leading cause of physician visits in the US. Women are far more frequent victims than men (except among the elderly). 85% of urinary infections are caused by Escherichia coli. Chlamydia is also available for those of you who are sexually active. Composition of 24-hour urine in normal adult; Urea                60-180 grams Creatinine         0.3-0.8 grams Ammonia            0.4-1.0 grams Uric acid         0.08-0.2 grams Sodium             2.0-4.0 grams Potassium          1.5-2.0 grams Calcium            0.1-0.2 grams Magnesium          0.1-0.2 grams Chloride           4.0-8.0 grams Phosphate          0.7-1.6 grams Inorganic sulfate  0.6-1.8 grams organic sulphate  0.06-0.2 grams In addition there are trace amounts of purine bases and methylayed purines, glucuronates, hippuric acid and amino acid. In pathological states other substances may appear, proteins (caused by nephrosis) and glucose (diabetes). My advice? Use cat piss instead. It kills everything. Need more useless information or stupid advice? Just ask.

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I have also had a sedimentation test.  My result was 140 mm/hr.  My doctor was quite concerned, but told me it was a non-specific indicator?? (snip) down in the range of 35-40 mm/hr with nothing ever being found.  So my conclusion, at this time, is that once again the medical profession does not have all the answers, and that stress can cause crazy things to happen to your body.  BTW, I have never felt entirely satisfied with my research on "sedimentation rates", so if anyone has further info, I’d love to know it.

—–from my hematology book—– (somewhat edited and paraphrased, due to space) The erythrocye seidmentiation rate (ESR) is a nonspeific measurement used to detect and monitor an inflammatory response to tissue injury in which there is a change in the plasma concentration of several proteins (acute phase proteins). [description of setting up the test, special tube, sits for an hour, etc]    The ESR is affected by three factors: erythrocyes (red blood cells), plasma composition (the liquid portion of the blood) and mechanical/technical factors (setting up the test correctly, etc). [the test is done by placing a sample of blood in a special calibrated  tube, leaving it for a hour, depending on the method used, then checking the tube to see how far (mm per hour)  the cells fell.  the top of the tube is 'zero' and the numbers increase as the level of the cell falls.  normal is around 0-10 or 0-20, depending on the method and the sex of the patient] –description of reasons for the blood cells to sediment  in the tube…size of the cells—some blood cells are larger and they will fall faster.  plasma proteins are altered in some diseases causing the cells to clump—making larger masses which will fall faster.  blood cells which show a change in shape will fall slower.  in severe anemia will markedly elevate an ESR–fewer cells, more plasma. (in this case, an adjustment based on the actual hematocrit would be made, to show the ESR if the hematocrit had been normal).   in people with abnormally high red cell counts, ESR values are normal–too many cells, not much space left to settle out.  (this is only a brief list) with the plasma composition….various conditions can alter the protein content of the blood.  as proteins increase, the viscosity of the blood is affected. since the proteins can cause clumping (rouleaux formation), which increases the ESR despite the plasma being a bit ‘thicker’. then there are the mechanical reasons: the set up, the time allowed for the test, the dilution of the blood, temperature of the room, etc…. the significance of the ESR…it represents a nonspecific response to tissue damage and inflammation and dnotes the presence of disease, but not the severity.  it primarily reflects changes in the plasma proteins that accompany most acute and chronic infections, tumors, and degenerative diseases.  it can be used to follow the progress of rheumatoid arthritis (and the effectiveness of the meds to control it).   it can be elevated in pregnancy, TB, rheumatic fever, acute and chronic infections, myocardial infarction (heart attack), nephrosis, acute hepatitis, menstruation, hypothyroidism.  adults over 60 may have increased ESRs. i know it’s long, but maybe it helped some….. tn

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I have also had a sedimentation test.  My result was 140 mm/hr.  My doctor was quite concerned, but told me it was a non-specific indicator??  She tested for arthritis,TB and a barrage of tests for cancer malignancy. Nothing came out of it.  At the time, I was under a lot of stress, and I asked if that might elevate the level, but she said no.  However, I am now down in the range of 35-40 mm/hr with nothing ever being found.  So my conclusion, at this time, is that once again the medical profession does not have all the answers, and that stress can cause crazy things to happen to your body.  BTW, I have never felt entirely satisfied with my research on "sedimentation rates", so if anyone has further info, I’d love to know it.

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For anyone with High Sedimentation Rate and Facial Pain, Neck aches, Headaches – Go to a Major Teaching Hospital and a RHEUMATOLOGIST who is a specialist who can find out if you have TEMPORAL ARTERITIS. (This is an inflammation of the nerves, not arthritis and not rheumatism) You can go blind suddenly if that is the problem and it isn’t treated. JL

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Hi John, An  elevated erythrocyte sedimentation rate, is a non-specific  indicator of inflamation. Various conditions, such as the common cold,  pregnancy, autoimmune disorders ( ex. arthritis ), infections, stress , old age, etc.. could be responsible. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have a HA that is six weeks old and counting, and I found in the records that a test for sedimentation rate (done after the first week of the HA) was elevated above normal values (27 mm/hr was the value shown). The same test done in August gave a value of 10 mm/hr, within the normal range. Nonetheless, the doc who reviewed the results noted the elevated rate, but remarked that it was not significant. Does anyone know how to interpret this? — John Martinez "I have a plastic laminated ID card therefore I am." Remove the nospam. to get my address or URL. Visit our humble home page at

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I have a HA that is six weeks old and counting, and I found in the records that a test for sedimentation rate (done after the first week of the HA) was elevated above normal values (27 mm/hr was the value shown). The same test done in August gave a value of 10 mm/hr, within the normal range. Nonetheless, the doc who reviewed the results noted the elevated rate, but remarked that it was not significant. Does anyone know how to interpret this? — John Martinez "I have a plastic laminated ID card therefore I am." Remove the nospam. to get my address or URL. Visit our humble home page at http://www.primenet.com/~nospam.mmart/index.html

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You clearly have commercial interests and are certainly not objective. umio Tsurudani at the Medical     Institute of Nagoya University, Japan did an experiment     with patients suffering from renal disease, in order to     check the effectiveness of Ganoderma. It was found that     Ganoderma not only could lower proteinuria and     cholesterolemia, but could maintain proper renal function.     Based on our experimental results, renal disease can be     cured 100% by taking Ganoderma. What a surprising     achievement it is!

Can you give us the citation of the published article?  

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Introduction to Ganoderma #13 10. Ganoderma may effect a 100% cure for renal diseases.      Kidney diseases are also among the most difficult diseases      to cure. They include acute or chronic nephritis, diabetic      renal syndrome, nephrosis and rheumatic fever. These      may be due in part to high cholesterol count and high      blood sugar level. So, kidney is overloaded and blood      cannot reach renal capillaries. As a result, nephrosis      occurs, with edema, urine retention, fatigue and possibly      serious uremia. Prof. Fumio Tsurudani at the Medical      Institute of Nagoya University, Japan did an experiment      with patients suffering from renal disease, in order to      check the effectiveness of Ganoderma. It was found that      Ganoderma not only could lower proteinuria and      cholesterolemia, but could maintain proper renal function.      Based on our experimental results, renal disease can be      cured 100% by taking Ganoderma. What a surprising      achievement it is! — 1ST HERBS The leading brand in Taiwan in Chinese herbs field. http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/

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