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  I am a 40 yr old female who went to the Doc with severe flank soreness over several days. She treated me for a urine infection, she did a urinalysis and culture.  Found blood in the urine x3 (over 3 days) and called me later as the culture showed no infection.  I also presented high blood pressure 150/90 (high for me I normally go at 100/68).  Ordered more tests Blood Creatinine, Urine cytology and and IVP.  I have had all of them completed except the IVP.  She is looking for either kidney cancer or bladder cancer.  Has anyone who has had these type of symptoms had any type of diagnosis other than cancer.  According to the doc I did not present like Kidney stones, everything is normal except there is still blood in the urine. Hmmm — "Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.  All progress, therefore depends on unreasonable people." George Bernard Shaw

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I am a 23yr old male with similar symptoms (blood in urine), but my flank pain was very light (just a bit sore on the right), and it went away with an antibiotic — levaquin). Now the pain is gone, but there is still blood present, albeit off and on. (some times it comes up completely clear, others with some blood — in the same day.. almost always present overnight, and always gone with increased fluid intake). I have no other symptoms of anything at all. I have an IVP scheduled for this thursday. My blood pressure is at my normal range (tad bit high to begin with (117/75). let me know how things go. good luck. any others with some ideas? On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:52:03 -0800, wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  I am a 40 yr old female who went to the Doc with severe flank soreness >over several days. She treated me for a urine infection, she did a >urinalysis and culture.  Found blood in the urine x3 (over 3 days) and >called me later as the culture showed no infection.  I also presented high >blood pressure 150/90 (high for me I normally go at 100/68).  Ordered more >tests Blood Creatinine, Urine cytology and and IVP.  I have had all of them >completed except the IVP.  She is looking for either kidney cancer or >bladder cancer.  Has anyone who has had these type of symptoms had any type >of diagnosis other than cancer.  According to the doc I did not present like >Kidney stones, everything is normal except there is still blood in the >urine. Hmmm

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http://www.ackc.org "R_LaCasse" <REMOVE_THISvamp…@istar.ca> wrote in message

news:d0eqs015ottm7q02tj0qp0a4hpv9a7n1ds@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had a Nephrectomy trip some years ago, in 1988, there was an > accidental C.A.T. scan find, and amputation. > The reason I went to the hospital, was for a Biliary Cholic, > Cholisysectomy, but that was dropped for a suspected benign cancer. > I think it was all a scam for a $25,000can kidney, since they did not > let me see the x-ray, or the white dot graph with my name on it. Even then > it is > easy to fool anybody since anybodies x-ray or graph is somewhat similar. > All I got was a no comp HCV tainted blood with no possibility of > positive investigation without megabucks, like $70,000 for starters. > On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:00:19 GMT, news <news@shaw#.ca> wrote: > |>Any one know where I can get more info on Kidney Cancer other than > |>Kidney Foundation > Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel > National Association of Assault Research > WWWeb>>  http://nwo.naar.be

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:01:42 -0500, "Philip B Kirschner" <philk02nos…@optonline.net> wrote:

|>http://www.ackc.org |> |> |> |>"R_LaCasse" <REMOVE_THISvamp…@istar.ca> wrote in message

|>news:d0eqs015ottm7q02tj0qp0a4hpv9a7n1ds@4ax.com… |>> |>> I had a Nephrectomy trip some years ago, in 1988, there was an |>> accidental C.A.T. scan find, and amputation. |>> |>> The reason I went to the hospital, was for a Biliary Cholic, |>> Cholisysectomy, but that was dropped for a suspected benign cancer. |>> |>> I think it was all a scam for a $25,000can kidney, since they did not |>> let me see the x-ray, or the white dot graph with my name on it. Even then |>> it is |>> easy to fool anybody since anybodies x-ray or graph is somewhat similar. |>> |>> All I got was a no comp HCV tainted blood with no possibility of |>> positive investigation without megabucks, like $70,000 for starters. |>> |>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:00:19 GMT, news <news@shaw#.ca> wrote: |>> |>> |>Any one know where I can get more info on Kidney Cancer other than |>> |>Kidney Foundation |>> |>> Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel |>> National Association of Assault Research |>> WWWeb>>  http://nwo.naar.be |>         Nice laid out site….but I am not even remotely convinced that I ever had Kidney Cancer. I have never exhibited any symptoms that even remotely resemble kidney problems in my life, all previous x-rays proved very clean.         IMOHO the hospital simply needed my kidney for a recipient who had none, and that is the best I can translate the way they pushed me into the Nephrectomy and overlooked my real problem of a Biliary Cholic with 7 Gall Stones, which is why I checked into the hospital for in the first place.         I just call it a rip-off……caveat emptor, watch out for the hungry croakers. Bob Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research WWWeb>>  http://nwo.naar.be

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Any one know where I can get more info on Kidney Cancer other than Kidney Foundation

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news <news@shaw#.ca> wrote: >Any one know where I can get more info on Kidney Cancer other than >Kidney Foundation

I had that[1] two years ago. What can I tell you? [1] There’s more than one type of kidney cancer. I had a "Renal Cell Carcinoma" (aka "Clear Cell Carcinoma".) — Sleepalot   aa #1385

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        I had a Nephrectomy trip some years ago, in 1988, there was an accidental C.A.T. scan find, and amputation.         The reason I went to the hospital, was for a Biliary Cholic, Cholisysectomy, but that was dropped for a suspected benign cancer.         I think it was all a scam for a $25,000can kidney, since they did not let me see the x-ray, or the white dot graph with my name on it. Even then it is easy to fool anybody since anybodies x-ray or graph is somewhat similar.         All I got was a no comp HCV tainted blood with no possibility of positive investigation without megabucks, like $70,000 for starters. On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:00:19 GMT, news <news@shaw#.ca> wrote:

|>Any one know where I can get more info on Kidney Cancer other than |>Kidney Foundation Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research WWWeb>>  http://nwo.naar.be

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Six months ago I was diagnosed with a small 4mm. polyp, which has now increased in size to 6mm. I am a 60 yr. old male with a past history of Renal Cell Carcinoma, and Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. The polyp has been identified as the cholesterol, type. Is it necessary to have this removed or can a wait and watch procedure be used in this case. Ed

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Six months ago I was diagnosed with a small 4mm. polyp, which has now increased in size to 6mm. I am a 60 yr. old male with a past history of Renal Cell Carcinoma, and Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. The polyp has been identified as the cholesterol, type. Is it necessary to have this removed or can a wait and watch procedure be used in this case. Ed

This is purely my opinion but I would NOT wait. But you should discuss this fully with your Doctor. I was diagnosed with bile duct cancer and my Doctor gave me a choice of waiting to see what would happen or starting Chemo right away. My Uncle had bladder cancer and he waited. As time went by, the cancer spread to his spinal collumn and it was too late. I remembered this when I was given the choice and started Chemo right away. Right now, the tumor that was in my Bile duct does not show up on any cat scan and my Doctors are amazed at my recovery. I am still going to Chemo but I believe that I made the correct decision. Will

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Six months ago I was diagnosed with a small 4mm. polyp, which has now increased in size to 6mm. I am a 60 yr. old male with a past history of Renal Cell Carcinoma, and Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. The polyp has been identified as the cholesterol, type. Is it necessary to have this removed or can a wait and watch procedure be used in this case.

Ed, Here’s what the ACS says. (What Are the Risk Factors for Gallbladder Cancer?) <http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_2X_What_are_the_ris… Gallbladder polyps: A gallbladder polyp is a growth that bulges outward from the surface level of the inner gallbladder wall. Some polyps are formed by a small gallstone embedded in the gallbladder wall. Others may be small tumors (either cancerous or benign) or may be caused by inflammation. Polyps larger than 1 centimeter (a little less than one-half inch) are more likely to be malignant, so doctors commonly recommend removal of the gallbladder in patients with gallbladder polyps that size or larger. and e-medicine <http://author.emedicine.com/MED/topic2711.htm Cancer of the gallbladder is a rare entity; however, it is the fifth most common cancer of the gastrointestinal tract. Carcinoma is estimated to be found in the gallbladder in 1% of patients undergoing a cholecystectomy. The natural history of gallbladder carcinoma is a manifestation of its late presentation and its local spread in an anatomically busy area. Benign conditions of the gallbladder, such as adenomyomatosis, cholesterol polyps, and hyperplastic polyps, may mimic cancer on preoperative imaging studies. Polyps larger than 10 mm should be considered to harbor malignant foci until proven otherwise. Relevant Anatomy: The gall bladder is located in the caudad/posterior surface of the liver at the junction of segment IV and V. The gall bladder is an oblong-shaped viscus that has a dome, body, and infundibulum. The cystic duct drains the gall bladder into the common bile duct and is in close proximity to the cystic artery. Both the duct and the artery are located in the hepatocystic triangle between the common bile duct, the liver, and the gall bladder. Many variations of the anatomy of the cystic duct and artery are common and should be taken into consideration. The hepatocystic triangle includes lymphatic channels and lymph nodes that drain the gall bladder. The venous drainage of the gall bladder is, in part, by direct venous channels into the liver bed, which many believe may be responsible for direct invasion of gall bladder cancers into the liver bed. Contraindications: As with all cancer operations, diffuse distant metastatic disease is a contraindication for resection except in rare cases when palliative resection improves the quality of life.[] Given the fact that yours appears to be growing (and regardless of what the above says about size or cholesterol), and especially given the "busy area", I’d want the gallbladder out of there, as long as you’re not considered high risk for the surgery. I would also want some reassurance ahead of time that before or during, they’d be sure there are no (possible) stones left behind in any ducts.  I had my gallbladder out 35 years ago due to stones. I’m not a doctor either. J

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I’ve been chronically ill with Crohn’s disease. Due to that I’ve had a lot of surgery and take some pretty nasty medications. I was being prepped for my next Crohn’s surgery when the cancer showed up. After my forth medical opinion I had my left kidney removed on 01/31/03. Just about everything that could have gone wrong during surgery went wrong. I’m back home and things seem to be going well. I’ve been told I need to be screened for cancer every three months for the first four years. I don’t have a "team" of cancer doctors like I have a "team" of Crohn’s doctors yet. I know nothing about my kidney or cancer. I’m looking for websites about both. I’m interested in hearing from others who have one kidney. Should I change my diet? Should I change my lifestyle? I want to keep my other kidney. Any suggestions?

Find a good urologist. I fired my first urologist because he was not meeting my expectations. Watch your blood pressure. Don’t smoke! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi there, This is from the FAQ that Jerry’s working on <snip That last one may have tips for you about kidney health in general and specific to diet. Since we don’t know your lifestyle, it’s difficult to answer, but perhaps the above will give you some (or more than enough) of the information you’re looking for and/or contact your local Kidney Foundation for more info. Feel free to stick around here, since you’ll be retested, you might want to keep apprised of the latest. Jerry may have more to add regarding your questions. About 15 years ago, my sister-in-law’s sister, had kidney failure, so my SIL donated one of her kidneys to her sister. They’re both now late 40’s/early 50’s, both doing well, but neither drink nor smoke and both eat very healthy. I have no idea if they follow a specific kidney diet, but perhaps so. Best wishes, and hope this helps (some). J

You can survive with 25% of your original kidney capacity. So one good kidney is more than enough to get by. Less than 50% of one kidney will require dialysis treatments. I know people with one kidney that live normal lives. I have had surgery on both kidneys for Renal Cell Carcinoma. In both cases the tumor was confined to the kidney, no trace of mets in the fat surrounding the kidney or the lymph nodes. It is difficult surgery, the lower rib is removed to allow the surgeon access to the kidney. Once exposed, the organ is clamped and cooled and a sonogram team locates the tumor. The decision to perform a partial or complete removal is made at that time. If a partial nephrectomy is performed, the tumor is sent immediately to the lab to determine if the margins are adequate. This was the procedure at MD Anderson, can’t speak for other locations. Following the surgery it felt like I was arrested by the LA Police (remember the Rodney King beating). The right side was painful for 5 1/2 weeks. A few weeks later the left side was operated on. It went slightly better. My wife helped me with showers and bathroom needs as I was unable to do them alone. Since the surgery in 2000 there are follow-up CT scans or chest X-rays every 6 months. If the RCC returns, it is normally found in the first year or two. RCC mets will likely appear in the lungs, so they are also a point of focus. The surgery and follow-up is done by a Urologist. Based on my age and family history other screening tests are done as a precaution. It is going on three years since diagnosis. There are no dietary restrictions. There is numbness in the abdomen, but it is gradually improving. Have had a number of infections on the right side incision due to sebaceous cysts forming there. They are painful but not serious. Treated with lancing or antibiotics quite effectively. Physical effort causes me to get tired easily and out-of-breath. Working to improve that by exercise, have found walking to be very beneficial. If you are able to walk, do it, even if you must force yourself. Jerry

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I’ve been chronically ill with Crohn’s disease. Due to that I’ve had a lot of surgery and take some pretty nasty medications. I was being prepped for my next Crohn’s surgery when the cancer showed up. After my forth medical opinion I had my left kidney removed on 01/31/03. Just about everything that could have gone wrong during surgery went wrong. I’m back home and things seem to be going well. I’ve been told I need to be screened for cancer every three months for the first four years. I don’t have a "team" of cancer doctors like I have a "team" of Crohn’s doctors yet. I know nothing about my kidney or cancer. I’m looking for websites about both. I’m interested in hearing from others who have one kidney. Should I change my diet? Should I change my lifestyle? I want to keep my other kidney. Any suggestions?

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I’ve been chronically ill with Crohn’s disease. Due to that I’ve had a lot of surgery and take some pretty nasty medications. I was being prepped for my next Crohn’s surgery when the cancer showed up. After my forth medical opinion I had my left kidney removed on 01/31/03. Just about everything that could have gone wrong during surgery went wrong. I’m back home and things seem to be going well. I’ve been told I need to be screened for cancer every three months for the first four years. I don’t have a "team" of cancer doctors like I have a "team" of Crohn’s doctors yet. I know nothing about my kidney or cancer. I’m looking for websites about both. I’m interested in hearing from others who have one kidney. Should I change my diet? Should I change my lifestyle? I want to keep my other kidney. Any suggestions?

Hi there, This is from the FAQ that Jerry’s working on Kidney Cancer http://www.bestdoctors.com/en/conditions/k/kidneycancer/kidneycancer_… Condition Summary Kidney Cancer ,by Ihor S. Sawczuk, MD, Professor and Vice Chairman of Urology, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/kidneycancer.html Kidney Cancer http://www.cancer.gov/templates/doc_wyntk.aspx?viewid=ba8a3718-ec41-4… What You Need To Know About

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Radiographics 1994 Sep;14(5):1033-44 Since chloroquine { iron binder ] is being used with some success in those with lupus I find the article below interesting. It has been recently shown ‘hemin / hematin’ a breakdown product of red blood cells is the PRIME producer of damage in the kidneys .. and so the study below seems to confirm this fact. Iron builds in the kidneys due to the destruction of red blood cells / hemolysis. ————————————————————————— – ————— MR imaging of hemorrhage and iron deposition in the kidney. Roubidoux MA Department of Radiology, University of Michigan, Taubman Center, Ann Arbor 48109-0326. Hemoglobin and its degradation products result in signal intensity changes at T1- and T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging that can either facilitate or obstruct diagnosis of renal lesions. These substances are deposited in the kidney by means of hemorrhage or systemic intravascular hemolysis. Hemorrhage commonly occurs into a renal cyst, resulting in an appearance that cannot be reliably distinguished from that of renal cell carcinoma without use of contrast material. Hemorrhage may also occur diffusely in the renal medulla, and the resulting low signal intensity on T1- and T2-weighted images is characteristic of the rare disease hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome. Systemic intravascular hemolysis results in low signal intensity in the renal cortex on T2-weighted images, owing to hemosiderin deposition; this occurs in severe hemolytic anemias. Familiarity with the spectrum of findings in the kidney resulting from hemorrhage or iron deposition is necessary for accurate diagnosis of renal disease. PMID: 7991812, UI: 95083886 —————————————————————- Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore

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ironjustice <thenn…@telusplanet.net> wrote in message

news:5ct4a.37007$495.1641923@news1.telusplanet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Radiographics 1994 Sep;14(5):1033-44 > Since chloroquine { iron binder ] is being used with some success in those > with lupus I find the article below interesting. > It has been recently shown ‘hemin / hematin’ a breakdown product of red > blood cells is the PRIME producer of damage in the kidneys .. and so the > study below seems to confirm this fact. > Iron builds in the kidneys due to the destruction of red blood cells / > hemolysis. > ————————————————————————– — > ————— > MR imaging of hemorrhage and iron deposition in the kidney. > Roubidoux MA > Department of Radiology, University of Michigan, Taubman Center, Ann Arbor > 48109-0326. > Hemoglobin and its degradation products result in signal intensity changes > at T1- and T2-weighted magnetic resonance imaging that can either facilitate > or obstruct diagnosis of renal lesions. These substances are deposited in > the kidney by means of hemorrhage or systemic intravascular hemolysis. > Hemorrhage commonly occurs into a renal cyst, resulting in an appearance > that cannot be reliably distinguished from that of renal cell carcinoma > without use of contrast material. Hemorrhage may also occur diffusely in the > renal medulla, and the resulting low signal intensity on T1- and T2-weighted > images is characteristic of the rare disease hemorrhagic fever with renal > syndrome. Systemic intravascular hemolysis results in low signal intensity > in the renal cortex on T2-weighted images, owing to hemosiderin deposition; > this occurs in severe hemolytic anemias. Familiarity with the spectrum of > findings in the kidney resulting from hemorrhage or iron deposition is > necessary for accurate diagnosis of renal disease. > PMID: 7991812, UI: 95083886

This article again speaks to hematin a breakdown product of heme / red blood cells / lysis / hemolysis . Increased destruction of red blood cells / erythrocytosis leads to increased levels of hematin .. which is cytoxic if not controlled by antioxidants .. and in most people they simply don’t have enough antioxidants for the increased oxidation due to the increased destruction of red blood cells. . As evidenced by the AMA recommendation of increased antioxidant intake for EVERYONE .. ?http://herbivore.7h.com/AMA.html Is THIS .. the ’smoking gun’ .. ? THE substance which might induce phospholipid oxidation in the aforementioned .. lipids .. ? Surgery 2002 Jan;131(1):66-74 Hematin is one of the cytotoxic factors in pancreatitis-associated ascitic fluid that causes hepatocellular injury. Ueda T, Takeyama Y, Takase K, Hori Y, Kuroda Y, Ho HS First Department of Surgery, Kobe University School of Medicine, Kobe, Japan. BACKGROUND: We recently demonstrated that pancreatitis-associated ascitic fluid (PAAF) contains cytotoxic factor(s), inducing apoptosis in hepatocytes, and that PAAF induces hepatic adenosine triphosphate depletion, hepatocellular acidosis, and accumulation of hepatic intracellular sodium.  Because ascitic fluid and serum from patients with hemorrhagic pancreatitis contain a lot of hematin, we aimed to test the hypothesis that hematin can induce hepatocellular injury, and then we compared its cytotoxicity with that of PAAF. METHODS:  In vivo effects of intraperitoneal injection of hematin into the liver of healthy rats were evaluated with in situ nick-end labeling, blood biochemical analysis, and nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy. In vitro cytotoxic and apoptosis-inducing activities of hematin on rat primary culture hepatocytes were investigated with a cellular proliferation assay kit and DNA fragmentation enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay, respectively. Furthermore, PAAF was fractionated with Sephacryl S-300 gel column chromatography, and cytotoxic activities of its fractions on a human hepatoma cell line (HuH-7) were compared with those of hematin. RESULTS: Intraperitoneal injection of hematin into healthy rats caused apoptosis in the hepatocytes and elevated serum glutamate oxaloacetic transaminase and lactate dehydrogenase levels. Intraperitoneal injection of hematin also caused a significant decrease in the hepatic beta-adenosine triphosphate/inorganic phosphate ratio, severe hepatic intracellular acidosis, and a significant increase of hepatic intracellular sodium (Na(+)) concentration, similar to the effects of PAAF.  In vitro, hematin decreased hepatocyte viability and increased the DNA fragmentation of hepatocytes, similar to the effects of 10% PAAF. Albumin reversed the cytotoxic effects of hematin and PAAF on HuH-7 cells nearly completely and partially, respectively. Fractionation of PAAF and hematin by gel column chromatography revealed that the first peak of cytotoxic activity of PAAF corresponded to that of hematin and that the cytotoxic activity was reversed by albumin nearly completely. CONCLUSIONS: These results suggest that hematin is one of the cytotoxic factors in PAAF that causes hepatocellular injury and that cellular injuries caused by hematin may be involved in the development of multiple organ failure associated with severe acute pancreatitis. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore PMID: 11812965, UI: 21672044 ——————————————————————

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My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me. Thank you so much, Jody

I am so sorry you face this, And from what I read, you are a strong and supportive woman. Sometimes the answer we get is No. And we have to deal with that. My husband died of pancreatic cancer 2 Nov 2002. He asked to die at home and that is what he did. I am a nurse so I was well versed in the medical needs to keep him pain free.I watched him go from 240 pounds to 130. All my skill and all my training, could not stop this dreadful eventuality. I would look at my useless hands with loathing, because I couldn’t heal the one I loved so much. I was fortunate. Someone from this group sent me a site called www.crossingthecreek.com they also became my life line, and on line support and would chat with me for hours while I was feeling lost and frightened. They themselves had just lost a spouse and were guiding me in steps they had just taken. Their kindness and compassion were what made me able to nurse night and day for 7 months. When I was too tired to go on, they encouraged me. When I was too stubborn to get help, they chastised me. And when I was too sad to live, they joked with me and made me smile. I met others as well.in this group I am grateful for the support I received. The first couple of months are hell. And one day you find yourself smiling and even feeling joy. You never lose the love for a lost mate. But you get on with living and pain becomes memories of tender times. I hope you find the strength to see you through this. I know you will. I have often wished I could go crazy and block it out. It does not happen. At least not for me. I just.. ..went through it. The storms, the pain, the anger and the loneliness. But I am getting better, and I am going to make it. You will too. All my best wishes for your strength, patty-anne who has an open email if you want to write.

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I was fortunate. Someone from this group sent me a site called www.crossingthecreek.com

Thanks patty-anne, I keep losing this web page.  Just e-mailed him to ask permission to add to the a.s.c. Charter/FAQ. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – they also became my life line, and on line support and would chat with me for hours while I was feeling lost and frightened. They themselves had just lost a spouse and were guiding me in steps they had just taken. Their kindness and compassion were what made me able to nurse night and day for 7 months. When I was too tired to go on, they encouraged me. When I was too stubborn to get help, they chastised me. And when I was too sad to live, they joked with me and made me smile. I met others as well.in this group I am grateful for the support I received. The first couple of months are hell. And one day you find yourself smiling and even feeling joy. You never lose the love for a lost mate. But you get on with living and pain becomes memories of tender times. I hope you find the strength to see you through this. I know you will. I have often wished I could go crazy and block it out. It does not happen. At least not for me. I just.. ..went through it. The storms, the pain, the anger and the loneliness. But I am getting better, and I am going to make it. You will too. All my best wishes for your strength, patty-anne who has an open email if you want to write.

So glad you found the support you needed and are now in a position to give back. On another newsgroup, I’ve seen it called "pay it forward". Thank you ! J

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I am not going to apologize for anything that I have said.  I only hope that YOU as a Christian will learn at least to have compassion for your fellow man.  And if you can’t do that, learn to keep your damn mouth shut!  People in a situation like mine don’t need the support of someone like you!  Sorry if you have a problem with this but I was nice!  :)  I could have showed you just how unladylike I can get.   Jody

you tell him, girl! — I tried sniffing Coke once, but the ice cubes got stuck in my nose. Rian

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I am not going to apologize for anything that I have said.  I only hope that YOU as a Christian will learn at least to have compassion for your fellow man.  And if you can’t do that, learn to keep your damn mouth shut!  People in a situation like mine don’t need the support of someone like you!  Sorry if you have a problem with this but I was nice!  :)  I could have showed you just how unladylike I can get. Jody you tell him, girl!

    Yeah, Jody RULES!  =(^-^)=   <Cat

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I screwed up, people!  I sent West the same thing that I posted in here. I found out that West has cancer and now I feel like such an ass for what I said.  Maybe I just took what he said the wrong way.  I apologized to him and let him know I was here for him if he needs me. Open mouth and insert foot, that’s me!  :( Jody

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I screwed up, people!  I sent West the same thing that I posted in here. I found out that West has cancer and now I feel like such an ass for what I said.  Maybe I just took what he said the wrong way.  I apologized to him and let him know I was here for him if he needs me.

That’s very good of you Jody, For the record, I still think his response was insensitive.  He may be in a stage of acceptance about his cancer. You have a right to your opinions and feelings, they’re yours, own them, work through them. You will reach your stage of acceptance in your own time, not when he (or any of us) tell you to. I am glad you and he touched base though. As an aside and/or perhaps on-topic, I have some sayings once read in a book. In social and domestic affairs, there is no right or wrong.  There are as many opinions as there are people. You can’t control what other people say or do, you /we/me can only control how we react to them. You did just fine. Forgive yourself, forgive him, and Peace J

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Couldn’t have said it better myself.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – West, I am so grateful that you think I sound normal and that if I was not scared and confused at this time in my life there would be something wrong with me.  Makes me feel so much better with your diagnosis! So tell me something, do you have a loved one or a friend that has cancer? Have you lost anyone to cancer?  Do you know the meaning of the words consideration, sensitivity and compassion?  I’m guessing you will answer no to those questions because if you did you wouldn’t have said what you did! I take offense at you telling me to accept the inevitable and go on. How dare you say that to me when you probably have never even stepped into the shoes I am in!  And I hope to God that no one you love is ever in mine or my husband’s shoes with the attitude you have.  Trust me, step into my shoes and I don’t think you will feel that way.  Yes, God will get us through this and He does everything for a reason but I don’t care how Christian you are, you are still going to do everything within your power to do what you can to save your loved one no matter what you think!  Been there and done that and still doing that! Are you married?  If they told your spouse they had cancer and could do nothing for them would you tell them to get over it and let Jesus get you through it?  Well I talk to God on a very regular basis and I just told him that I am so thankful that you are not my husband or even my friend!  I know God is going to get me through this, even if it means He is going to take my husband home. But it doesn’t stop all the emotions that you are going through with everything that is going on.  It doesn’t stop the pain that I am going through watching my husband die a little each day.  It doesn’t stop the fear, anger, helplessness and frustration I feel every waking minute or the nightmares I have at night.  And it didn’t stop me from being terrified nearly losing my husband a week ago. And I AM a Christian! I am not going to apologize for anything that I have said.  I only hope that YOU as a Christian will learn at least to have compassion for your fellow man.  And if you can’t do that, learn to keep your damn mouth shut!  People in a situation like mine don’t need the support of someone like you!  Sorry if you have a problem with this but I was nice!  :)  I could have showed you just how unladylike I can get. Jody

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http://www.kidneycancerassociation.org/ Is a very good resource for those interested in renal cell cancer. I went through 10 rounds of IL-2 (Barnes hospital in St Louis) a few years ago. It isn’t easy or always successful but it did help me. I had a radical nephrectomy and then went through the treatments after several mets were discovered in my chest. I know how scary it can be for the caregiver. My wife saw me lose 80 pounds in less than 6 months. — Pax, Dennis Wirth "An Eye For An Eye And The Whole World Goes Blind"~Ghandi Call it "Peace" or call it "Treason," Call it "Love" or call it "Reason," But I ain’t marchin’ any more.~Phil Ochs

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been a lurker for the past couple of weeks and decided it was time for me to delurk.  My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  They are trying to get him built up for the immunotherapy treatments.  I’ve learned alot more than I really want to know about cancer since he was diagnosed.  I am trying to be supportive and want to make everything as easy on him as possible.  Whatever he decides to do I will back him 100%. I want to have quality time with him and not quantity.  I do my best to make him comfortable and to let him know how much I love him.  I love him enough to let him go.  In the past month I have got to watch the man I love dying right before me and it is hell knowing that I can’t do anything for him.  I am really having trouble dealing with all of this.  I feel like I am on a roller coaster and no one is there to stop it.  I am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me.

    Jody, this is the place for you! You may not want to join "The Cancer Club" but you have already….. We can help you through so many aspects of this. So many of us have been through, or are going through right now, the same sort of thing you are.     The first thing you need to learn is that if you are paralyzed by the situation, this helps your hubby not at all. You need to be able to relax. You must have time for yourself. This is easier said than done, but is true nonetheless. My Mom died of her cancer 7/29/01 and my wife, the mother of my 3 elementary school children, was given 12 months to live on 5/11/01. She is still with us, but it has been a tough row to hoe… We have people helping us with meals and taking care of the kids after school, people who come over and clean up, and so many things. If you can find a few people to help you out, maybe just by cooking dinner a couple nights a week, this will give you a breather. Go to a movie or read a good book. I am not a sports fan at all, but I watched a basketball game on TV yesterday and it surprised my wife so much she said I must have been kidnapped by aliens and replaced with a duplicate. I just had to have a couple hours of mindless pleasure to get my mind off the situation at hand. It worked!     Please ask us questions about anything that bothers you, any thing at all. We are all here to help. There are some wacko people here trying to convince you that drinking urine or hydrogen peroxide is the cure all for mankind but you can spot them pretty easily with a very small amount of practice….     Take care and remember, this is a =support= group, we are here for you and that is what we do,     CAT =(^-^)=

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West, I am so grateful that you think I sound normal and that if I was not scared and confused at this time in my life there would be something wrong with me.  Makes me feel so much better with your diagnosis! So tell me something, do you have a loved one or a friend that has cancer? Have you lost anyone to cancer?  Do you know the meaning of the words consideration, sensitivity and compassion?  I’m guessing you will answer no to those questions because if you did you wouldn’t have said what you did!   I take offense at you telling me to accept the inevitable and go on. How dare you say that to me when you probably have never even stepped into the shoes I am in!  And I hope to God that no one you love is ever in mine or my husband’s shoes with the attitude you have.  Trust me, step into my shoes and I don’t think you will feel that way.  Yes, God will get us through this and He does everything for a reason but I don’t care how Christian you are, you are still going to do everything within your power to do what you can to save your loved one no matter what you think!  Been there and done that and still doing that!     Are you married?  If they told your spouse they had cancer and could do nothing for them would you tell them to get over it and let Jesus get you through it?  Well I talk to God on a very regular basis and I just told him that I am so thankful that you are not my husband or even my friend!  I know God is going to get me through this, even if it means He is going to take my husband home. But it doesn’t stop all the emotions that you are going through with everything that is going on.  It doesn’t stop the pain that I am going through watching my husband die a little each day.  It doesn’t stop the fear, anger, helplessness and frustration I feel every waking minute or the nightmares I have at night.  And it didn’t stop me from being terrified nearly losing my husband a week ago. And I AM a Christian!             I am not going to apologize for anything that I have said.  I only hope that YOU as a Christian will learn at least to have compassion for your fellow man.  And if you can’t do that, learn to keep your damn mouth shut!  People in a situation like mine don’t need the support of someone like you!  Sorry if you have a problem with this but I was nice!  :)  I could have showed you just how unladylike I can get.   Jody

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Jody, Why can’t you accept the inevitable and go from there. The best friend I ever found was Jesus. He says: you may not understand this, but for all those that believe in Me, ALL things happen for the good. God bless you and your family. Together in Him, west ps. you sound very normal. If you were not scared and confused at this time, then there would be something wrong with you.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jody, You have done just about everything right, judging from your post. In fact most carers do. The problem is you don’t kniow you are doing it right because you have no reference. There should be a group for carers or volunteers linked to your local hospice/palliative care unit or try though the hospital social worker. You will find a few members of this NG are going through similar experiences. Follow your heart, it’s nearly always right. MIKE Hi, I’ve been a lurker for the past couple of weeks and decided it was time for me to delurk.  My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  They are trying to get him built up for the immunotherapy treatments.  I’ve learned alot more than I really want to know about cancer since he was diagnosed.  I am trying to be supportive and want to make everything as easy on him as possible.  Whatever he decides to do I will back him 100%. I want to have quality time with him and not quantity.  I do my best to make him comfortable and to let him know how much I love him.  I love him enough to let him go.  In the past month I have got to watch the man I love dying right before me and it is hell knowing that I can’t do anything for him.  I am really having trouble dealing with all of this.  I feel like I am on a roller coaster and no one is there to stop it.  I am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me. Thank you so much, Jody I understand, you must be very strong. Good luck for all. MM

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It is certainly a very difficult for process for all.  For medical information, get agood overall book, like the American Cancer Society book Informed Decisions. If you are scientifically oriented, then read Devita, Cancer Principles and Practice of Oncology which will have some detailed information on the disease. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been a lurker for the past couple of weeks and decided it was time for me to delurk.  My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  They are trying to get him built up for the immunotherapy treatments.  I’ve learned alot more than I really want to know about cancer since he was diagnosed.  I am trying to be supportive and want to make everything as easy on him as possible.  Whatever he decides to do I will back him 100%. I want to have quality time with him and not quantity.  I do my best to make him comfortable and to let him know how much I love him.  I love him enough to let him go.  In the past month I have got to watch the man I love dying right before me and it is hell knowing that I can’t do anything for him.  I am really having trouble dealing with all of this.  I feel like I am on a roller coaster and no one is there to stop it.  I am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me.   Thank you so much, Jody

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Jody, You have done just about everything right, judging from your post. In fact most carers do. The problem is you don’t kniow you are doing it right because you have no reference. There should be a group for carers or volunteers linked to your local hospice/palliative care unit or try though the hospital social worker. You will find a few members of this NG are going through similar experiences. Follow your heart, it’s nearly always right. MIKE

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been a lurker for the past couple of weeks and decided it was time for me to delurk.  My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  They are trying to get him built up for the immunotherapy treatments.  I’ve learned alot more than I really want to know about cancer since he was diagnosed.  I am trying to be supportive and want to make everything as easy on him as possible.  Whatever he decides to do I will back him 100%. I want to have quality time with him and not quantity.  I do my best to make him comfortable and to let him know how much I love him.  I love him enough to let him go.  In the past month I have got to watch the man I love dying right before me and it is hell knowing that I can’t do anything for him.  I am really having trouble dealing with all of this.  I feel like I am on a roller coaster and no one is there to stop it.  I am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me. Thank you so much, Jody I understand, you must be very strong. Good luck for all. MM

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been a lurker for the past couple of weeks and decided it was time for me to delurk.  My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  They are trying to get him built up for the immunotherapy treatments.  I’ve learned alot more than I really want to know about cancer since he was diagnosed.  I am trying to be supportive and want to make everything as easy on him as possible.  Whatever he decides to do I will back him 100%. I want to have quality time with him and not quantity.  I do my best to make him comfortable and to let him know how much I love him.  I love him enough to let him go.  In the past month I have got to watch the man I love dying right before me and it is hell knowing that I can’t do anything for him.  I am really having trouble dealing with all of this.  I feel like I am on a roller coaster and no one is there to stop it.  I am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me. Thank you so much, Jody

I understand, you must be very strong. Good luck for all. MM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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My family is in a similar situation. My uncle had bladder cancer for the last 14 years. Last year in the routine tests the doctor realized that the cancer was spreading to the muscle outside the bladder and recommended the bladder be removed.  He had the operation in April 2002 and after the operation he had many problems. He had internal bleeding, fainting spells, and was very weak. He started to get lower back pain in August 2002. He had a scan done to verify if there was cancer. The scan was negative so nothing was done. The pain didn’t go away so he repeated the scan in October. This time the results showed positive for cancer in his pelvic bones and muscles. It turned out the incompetent hospital didn’t do the first scan 100% down the back, only 75% of the way down. Immediately they started morphine and other strong pain killers. The doctors gave him 4-6 months to live if no chemo was administered and from 1-3 years if it was. He has been so weak that they couldn’t give him any chemo. They also were trying to build him up with many kinds of supplements and intravenous drugs. He can’t keep food down and has lost ground steadily over the last few months. Now he is in a palliative care hospital and it seems he is soon going to die. I feel helpless as I live many thousands of miles away from my family and I could only talk to my mom by phone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me. Thank you so much, Jody I am so sorry you face this, And from what I read, you are a strong and supportive woman. Sometimes the answer we get is No. And we have to deal with that. My husband died of pancreatic cancer 2 Nov 2002. He asked to die at home and that is what he did. I am a nurse so I was well versed in the medical needs to keep him pain free.I watched him go from 240 pounds to 130. All my skill and all my training, could not stop this dreadful eventuality. I would look at my useless hands with loathing, because I couldn’t heal the one I loved so much. I was fortunate. Someone from this group sent me a site called www.crossingthecreek.com they also became my life line, and on line support and would chat with me for hours while I was feeling lost and frightened. They themselves had just lost a spouse and were guiding me in steps they had just taken. Their kindness and compassion were what made me able to nurse night and day for 7 months. When I was too tired to go on, they encouraged me. When I was too stubborn to get help, they chastised me. And when I was too sad to live, they joked with me and made me smile. I met others as well.in this group I am grateful for the support I received. The first couple of months are hell. And one day you find yourself smiling and even feeling joy. You never lose the love for a lost mate. But you get on with living and pain becomes memories of tender times. I hope you find the strength to see you through this. I know you will. I have often wished I could go crazy and block it out. It does not happen. At least not for me. I just.. ..went through it. The storms, the pain, the anger and the loneliness. But I am getting better, and I am going to make it. You will too. All my best wishes for your strength, patty-anne who has an open email if you want to write.

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Hi, I’ve been a lurker for the past couple of weeks and decided it was time for me to delurk.  My hubby was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma with mets to the lungs right after Christmas.  He spent a week in the hospital and had various tests run.  The doctors have said that this is a very aggresive cancer.  Surgery has been ruled out because of his poor health.  They are trying to get him built up for the immunotherapy treatments.  I’ve learned alot more than I really want to know about cancer since he was diagnosed.  I am trying to be supportive and want to make everything as easy on him as possible.  Whatever he decides to do I will back him 100%. I want to have quality time with him and not quantity.  I do my best to make him comfortable and to let him know how much I love him.  I love him enough to let him go.  In the past month I have got to watch the man I love dying right before me and it is hell knowing that I can’t do anything for him.  I am really having trouble dealing with all of this.  I feel like I am on a roller coaster and no one is there to stop it.  I am so scared and feel so alone.  I don’t know anyone who has gone through this themselves and my friends don’t understand.  I guess I just want to know that what I am feeling is "normal" and that I am not going crazy as I sometimes feel I am.  If someone could help me through this I would be so grateful.  Please help me.   Thank you so much, Jody

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I am looking for treatment information for Malignant Fibrous Histiocytoma. Thank you.

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I am looking for treatment information for Malignant Fibrous Histiocytoma.

Malignant Fibrous Histiocytoma is a rare disease, but Dr. Thomas Tallberg has successfully treated at least a couple of cases here in Finland with his active specific immunotherapy which consists of an autologous vaccine and nutritional supplements. In one of the cases the lab was closed for vacations, and the therapy was started without the vaccine, with nutritional supplement only. Still, to everyone’ surprise the tumor disappeared. Dr. Tallberg is semi-retired and does not take new patients, but you could inquire about supplements from his clinic, the contact info is Voice: +358 9 700 39 340 (Tue-Thu, 9:30-16:00 Finnish time) Fax:   +358 9 674 117 See also Complete disappearance of human malignant histiocytoma cells following dietary biotherapy, leading to activation of inductional control mediated by mitochondria. Thomas Tallberg MD a, H. Stenb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The original question was "Does anyone have a clue why Hulda Clark would choose as a cause for all cancers a parasite that is only found in SE Asia?" And the answer as to why she picked this particular parasite is the answer I supplied.  Hulda described the event: "The smallest coincidence can be the hinge on which future event turn.  So it was for the microscope slide of Fasciolopsis buskii (sic), made by Frank Jerome, DDS." Jan, you are in a rather unique position as it relates to what Kirk says above.  You watched Hulda’s kids some years back, and I believe you know Frank Jerome personally, and could drive to his house in maybe a half-hour to an hours time.  If you believe in these people, defend them by giving us a post that backs up your claim about when Clark decided on the F. Buskii parasite, citing book(s) and page number(s). Maybe call up one of the seminal players in "The Cure For All Diseases," Frank Jerome, DDS, and ask him if he’s interested in sharing a Nobel prize for one of the greatest discoveries in medicine.

How about a Nobel Prize for removing Jan’s amalgams and raising her mercury blood levels? Point of Fact to Bubbles, who claims to have me kill-filed, it Was Frank Jerome, DDS, who removed Jan’s amalgams without blood work indicating her mercury levels.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Her Syncrometer told her they were there.. Wrong. Get your facts straight. Enlighten me, Jan. Since you seem to think yourself an expert on Hulda clark,,,,,,,,,,,enlighten yourself. What you stated is wrong. Please correct you mistake and post it. Jan Hulda Clark was supplied some histopathology slides by Dr. Frank Jerome. Among the slides was Fasciolopsis buski, the human intestinal fluke. Using the Syncrometer, Clark noted that cancer patients tested positive  for F. buski.  She attributes the "malignancy" of tumors to the presence of the fluke (and isopropyl alcohol) using her Syncrometer to test for them. Thus, "her Syncrometer told her they were there".  You can play semantics all you like, Jan. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002 No I am not playing anything. You still don’t have the correct information. She found out about parasites long before she ever had the Syncrometer. Jan AHAH!  Now I can say that YOU are wrong.

Say what? Wrong about what? The original question was "Does anyone have a clue why Hulda Clark would choose as a cause for all cancers a parasite that is only found in SE Asia?"

Yes. And the answer as to why she picked this particular parasite is the answer I supplied.

Wrong. Hulda described the event: "The smallest coincidence can be the hinge on which future event turn.  So it was for the microscope slide of Fasciolopsis buskii (sic), made by Frank Jerome, DDS."

No, you are still wrong. Hint,,,,,,,,,,start will snails. Apology accepted in advance

If I owed one you would certainly get one. I don’t think we are on the same page. parasite that is only found in SE Asia?"

That’s the part that is wrong. Jan

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Her Syncrometer told her they were there.. Wrong. Get your facts straight. Enlighten me, Jan. Since you seem to think yourself an expert on Hulda clark,,,,,,,,,,,enlighten yourself. What you stated is wrong. Please correct you mistake and post it. Jan

Hulda Clark was supplied some histopathology slides by Dr. Frank Jerome.   Among the slides was Fasciolopsis buski, the human intestinal fluke. Using the Syncrometer, Clark noted that cancer patients tested positive    for F. buski.  She attributes the "malignancy" of tumors to the presence of the fluke (and isopropyl alcohol) using her Syncrometer to test for them. Thus, "her Syncrometer told her they were there".  You can play semantics all you like, Jan. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Her Syncrometer told her they were there.. Wrong. Get your facts straight. Enlighten me, Jan. Since you seem to think yourself an expert on Hulda clark,,,,,,,,,,,enlighten yourself. What you stated is wrong. Please correct you mistake and post it. Jan Hulda Clark was supplied some histopathology slides by Dr. Frank Jerome.  Among the slides was Fasciolopsis buski, the human intestinal fluke. Using the Syncrometer, Clark noted that cancer patients tested positive   for F. buski.  She attributes the "malignancy" of tumors to the presence of the fluke (and isopropyl alcohol) using her Syncrometer to test for them. Thus, "her Syncrometer told her they were there".  You can play semantics all you like, Jan. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

No I am not playing anything. You still don’t have the correct information. She found out about parasites long before she ever had the Syncrometer. Jan

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Hulda described the event: "The smallest coincidence can be the hinge on which future event turn.  So it was for the microscope slide of Fasciolopsis buskii (sic), made by Frank Jerome, DDS." No, you are still wrong. Hint,,,,,,,,,,start will snails.

No matter how you cut it, in snails or otherwise, Hulda "detects" F. buski using her Syncrometer. parasite that is only found in SE Asia?" That’s the part that is wrong.

F. buski is also known as the giant asian intestinal worm.  Is is one of the largest intestinal parasites known.  It is not a pathogen of any significance in places other than Asia.  You refuse to believe the evidence provided by hundreds of parasitologist that attest to this fact.  You choose to believe Hulda and her Syncrometer. You are being foolish.  Hulda’s claim of F. buski being present in cancers is demonstrably false.  In fact, it is bordering on lunacy. More at: A Closer Look at Hulda Clark http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kkolas/fluke.html — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Her Syncrometer told her they were there.. Wrong. Get your facts straight. Enlighten me, Jan. Since you seem to think yourself an expert on Hulda clark,,,,,,,,,,,enlighten yourself. What you stated is wrong. Please correct you mistake and post it. Jan Hulda Clark was supplied some histopathology slides by Dr. Frank Jerome. Among the slides was Fasciolopsis buski, the human intestinal fluke. Using the Syncrometer, Clark noted that cancer patients tested positive  for F. buski.  She attributes the "malignancy" of tumors to the presence of the fluke (and isopropyl alcohol) using her Syncrometer to test for them. Thus, "her Syncrometer told her they were there".  You can play semantics all you like, Jan. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002 No I am not playing anything. You still don’t have the correct information. She found out about parasites long before she ever had the Syncrometer. Jan

AHAH!  Now I can say that YOU are wrong. The original question was "Does anyone have a clue why Hulda Clark would choose as a cause for all cancers a parasite that is only found in SE Asia?" And the answer as to why she picked this particular parasite is the answer I supplied.  Hulda described the event: "The smallest coincidence can be the hinge on which future event turn.  So it was for the microscope slide of Fasciolopsis buskii (sic), made by Frank Jerome, DDS." Apology accepted in advance. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

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The original question was "Does anyone have a clue why Hulda Clark would choose as a cause for all cancers a parasite that is only found in SE Asia?" And the answer as to why she picked this particular parasite is the answer I supplied.  Hulda described the event: "The smallest coincidence can be the hinge on which future event turn.  So it was for the microscope slide of Fasciolopsis buskii (sic), made by Frank Jerome, DDS."

Jan, you are in a rather unique position as it relates to what Kirk says above.  You watched Hulda’s kids some years back, and I believe you know Frank Jerome personally, and could drive to his house in maybe a half-hour to an hours time.  If you believe in these people, defend them by giving us a post that backs up your claim about when Clark decided on the F. Buskii parasite, citing book(s) and page number(s).  Maybe call up one of the seminal players in "The Cure For All Diseases," Frank Jerome, DDS, and ask him if he’s interested in sharing a Nobel prize for one of the greatest discoveries in medicine. How’s Frank doing these days?  My one meeting with the guy was not the most pleasant, and I’ll admit much of the blame lies with me.  Is he really a regular nice guy, does he see the "Gestapo" behind every curtain……just what is Frank like?  I’m genuinely curious about what makes this lower profile player in the Hulda Clark saga tick.  Does he have a busy practice going, removing and replacing amalgam fillings? I wonder if he and Hulda have ever been business partners in any way. Bill Ross

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I have two of her books but have not , by my experience, proven or disproven anything that she says. Does anyone have anything to prove, from their personal experience, her theories ? (looking for a Candidiasis cure )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The latest from Hulda: "Hulda Clark has left her clinic for a sabbatical. She does not disclose her whereabouts to the general public. At this time, the clinic does not accept patients, so it is no use calling and asking. Personal faxes are forwarded to her and she also receives her personal mail. She has been gone for several weeks and is not expected back before the middle of next month." "Do not expect to meet Dr. Clark hanging out at the beach, though. As you can imagine, Dr. Clark’s best friend, the Syncrometer, has been with her, releasing more of the secrets of the human body. And although Dr. Clark has only just finished her overhaul of the HIV/AIDS book (supposed to go to print next week), she is already working on the next monograph — albeit we have only the most general assumption what it might be about. As you know Dr. Clark is always good for a surprise." — A cynical person might notice that her sabbatical coincides with the recent Mexican crackdown on her clinic… sadly, she is not coming to Toronto for the annual Total Health (Quack) Expo… maybe next year… — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

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I have two of her books but have not , by my experience, proven or disproven anything that she says. Does anyone have anything to prove, from their personal experience, her theories ? (looking for a Candidiasis cure )

try google.com and do a search. http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=75 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DrClark-testimonials/messages/"http://gro ups.yahoo.com/group/DrClark-testimonials/messages/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gallstones-testimonials/messages/"http:// groups.yahoo.com/group/gallstones-testimonials/messages/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cancer-testimonials/messages/"http://grou ps.yahoo.com/group/cancer-testimonials/message

http://CureZone.com/gallstones/"http://CureZone.com/gallstones/ Jan

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Her Syncrometer told her they were there.. Wrong. Get your facts straight. Enlighten me, Jan.

Since you seem to think yourself an expert on Hulda clark,,,,,,,,,,,enlighten yourself. What you stated is wrong. Please correct you mistake and post it. Jan

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Wowser, thanks for the links, i’m over there. SAWB

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have two of her books but have not , by my experience, proven or disproven anything that she says. Does anyone have anything to prove, from their personal experience, her theories ? (looking for a Candidiasis cure ) try google.com and do a search. http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=75 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DrClark-testimonials/messages/"http://gro ups.yahoo.com/group/DrClark-testimonials/messages/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gallstones-testimonials/messages/"http:// groups.yahoo.com/group/gallstones-testimonials/messages/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cancer-testimonials/messages/"http://grou ps.yahoo.com/group/cancer-testimonials/message http://CureZone.com/gallstones/"http://CureZone.com/gallstones/ Jan

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I have two of her books but have not , by my experience, proven or disproven anything that she says. Does anyone have anything to prove, from their personal experience, her theories ?

For one, the "parasite", Fasciolopsis buskii, that she claims is the cause of all cancers HAS NOT BEEN FOUND ON AUTOPSY in anyone who lives/lived outside the area where it naturally occurs.  It’s large enough to be hard to miss. She is blaming American cancer on something that is only found in SE Asia. Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously."  Morely Dotes, 2001

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Thanks for the info. I find  it personally interesting, this research on electrical impulses and electromagnetics, that is theoretically causing the termination of pathogens and parasites. Along the lines of natural cures,  how much knowledge has been lost from the histerical records, of herbs and mixtures of various potions which  effectively treated or "cured" many conditions, which are now done by the modern "alternative", called Modern Medicine ? SAWB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have two of her books but have not , by my experience, proven or disproven anything that she says. Does anyone have anything to prove, from their personal experience, her theories ? For one, the "parasite", Fasciolopsis buskii, that she claims is the cause of all cancers HAS NOT BEEN FOUND ON AUTOPSY in anyone who lives/lived outside the area where it naturally occurs.  It’s large enough to be hard to miss. She is blaming American cancer on something that is only found in SE Asia. Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously."  Morely Dotes, 2001

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Her Syncrometer told her they were there.. Wrong. Get your facts straight.

Enlighten me, Jan. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

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It is too bad that her case never made it to court because then she would be compelled to explain her logic and reasoning which might provide insight into this whole thing.

Irrelevant and immaterial, nothing to do with the case, which was about practising medicine without a license.   Best wishes — John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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One would think that if Hulda Clark’s methods really worked, there would be a lot of cured people around, enthusiastic about proving to the world that Hulda has saved their lives.

And there are, but their testimony is challenged as inconclusive This is from the Journal of the Canadian Medical Association —–  In 1989 Pauling visited the head of the NCI, Samuel Broder, and described  cases of what he claimed were complete cancer remissions in response to  vitamin C. Broder was sufficiently interested to convene an NCI panel to  review 25 case histories of patients to be selected by Cameron as  providing plausible evidence that high-dose vitamin C could have important  biological effects in human cancer. The cases selected included 2 complete  remissions experienced by a patient with stage IV non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma  following courses of vitamin C therapy,  the disappearance of multiple  brain lesions diagnosed as metastatic on clinical grounds and CT scanning  in a patient with bronchogenic carcinoma, tumour regression in a patient  with metastatic renal cell carcinoma, and autopsy-confirmed tumour  hemorrhage in a patient within 3 days of initiating vitamin C therapy.  In 1991 Pauling received a letter informing him of the panel’s conclusion  that vitamin C had not been shown to be responsible for improved outcome  in any cancer case, either because the cancer diagnosis was not  sufficiently proven or because an explanation other than vitamin C therapy  might have accounted for the patient’s clinical course. In some cases,  extraordinarily long survivals were not credited to vitamin C because of  lack of information about such long survivals in the natural history of  the disease.  When submitting their case histories, Cameron and Pauling understood that  they would be evaluated with regard to the plausibility of the hypothesis  that vitamin C could have important biological effects in human cancer.  Instead, considering each case separately from all the others, the NCI  panel looked for proof that vitamin C must have been responsible for the  clinical effects reported and exact confirmation, not plausibility, of the  tissue diagnosis. Proof is necessary to change medical practice,  plausibility to justify testing a clinical hypothesis. Neither side in  this exchange was wrong, but it would have been helpful if they had  understood each other’s position.  The lesson to be learned from this is that the parameters of the debate  about alternative therapies – the "rules of engagement" – between  mainstream cancer researchers and proponents of alternative therapy need  to be clearly defined and the goals must be explicit and common to both  parties. To do otherwise leads to the risk of unintended confusion and  heightening of the barrier of mistrust that already stands between many  individuals involved in this debate. Proponents of alternative therapy  have an obligation to provide grounds for biological plausibility, such as  sound theoretical or preclinical data, or for clinical plausibility, in  the form of authentic, well-prepared case reports, in order to justify the  investment of time and energy in exploring the merits of a novel  anticancer therapy. But plausibility, not proof, should be sufficient to  initiate the process. —– Best wishes — John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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It is too bad that her case never made it to court because then she would be compelled to explain her logic and reasoning which might provide insight into this whole thing.

And not-a-medical Dr Clark makes very sure that she doesn’t have to talk about her quackery in court. That’s why she spent so much money to have the Indiana case against her dismissed before it got to court and why in her latest case she is not suing people for defamation for calling her a QUACK, but is suing through her publishing company on the basis that people have taken action which reduced sales of her books. And before you ask again, Jan, I know what she is suing for because I have read the court documents. And don’t try to tell me that New Century Press is suing someone without Clark’s knowledge. She owns the place. Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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Does anyone have a clue why Hulda Clark would choose as a cause for all cancers a parasite that is only found in SE Asia. At least she could have picked a more common/ubiquitous parasite as the etiology if she really wanted to convince people of the veracity of her claim. Also that parasite would be very hard to miss on autopsy considering its size.

Her Syncrometer told her they were there… and the syncrometer is the most advanced diagnostic tool in the world. Her early "investigations" used histopathology slides as "test samples"… F. buski must have been one of the preserved slides.. the rest is history.  Pretty funny that she picked an obscure pathogen… she even got the spelling wrong. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

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I have two of her books but have not , by my experience, proven or disproven anything that she says. Does anyone have anything to prove, from their personal experience, her theories ?

One would think that if Hulda Clark’s methods really worked, there would be a lot of cured people around, enthusiastic about proving to the world that Hulda has saved their lives. If you go the the Dr. Clark website they have a testimonial page, and I think you can contact some of the testimonial givers.  If you subscribe to the DrClark group on YahooGroups, there are probably people there who will claim to have been helped by Hulda.  At that group, I was given the names and phone numbers of 3 people to call, by Hulda’s brother Leo Regehr.  I contacted the 3, and their testimonials had gaping holes in them.  I would have expected Leo to give me some impressive rock-solid testimonials, but I don’t think there are any. I think you will find that in all Hulda Clark testimonials; either the testifiers won’t give out enough info to form a reliable conclusion, or their testimonial is inconclusive for other reasons.  Also, I don’t think there is a single person on this, the MHA newsgroup, that buys into Hulda’s claims 100%. That right there should indicate something to you, about "The Cure For All Diseases."  It must be a great cure to be so popular, and strictly followed! –Bill Ross

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Does anyone have a clue why Hulda Clark would choose as a cause for all cancers a parasite that is only found in SE Asia. At least she could have picked a more common/ubiquitous parasite as the etiology if she really wanted to convince people of the veracity of her claim. Also that parasite would be very hard to miss on autopsy considering its size. Her Syncrometer told her they were there..

Wrong. Get your facts straight. . and the syncrometer is the most advanced diagnostic tool in the world. Her early "investigations" used histopathology slides as "test samples"… F. buski must have been one of the preserved slides.. the rest is history.  Pretty funny that she picked an obscure pathogen… she even got the spelling wrong. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

And I thought you knew all about the history,,,,,,,,,,guess I was wrong. Look it up. Jan Wanna discuss Ben Kolb and Peter Ratbags LIES??

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i’ve never heard of this "American cancer" vs. "SE  Asia" thang. care to extrapolate? americans have some sort of cancers that are diffferent from other countries? i’d say that is an unpolitcally correct suggestion. — Dawn: "You’re not fleeing, you’re…moving at a brisk pace." Buffy: "Quaintly referred to in some cultures as ‘The Big Scairdy Run-Away’." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have two of her books but have not , by my experience, proven or disproven anything that she says. Does anyone have anything to prove, from their personal experience, her theories ? For one, the "parasite", Fasciolopsis buskii, that she claims is the cause of all cancers HAS NOT BEEN FOUND ON AUTOPSY in anyone who lives/lived outside the area where it naturally occurs.  It’s large enough to be hard to miss. She is blaming American cancer on something that is only found in SE Asia. Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously."  Morely Dotes, 2001

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The latest from Hulda: "Hulda Clark has left her clinic for a sabbatical. She does not disclose her whereabouts to the general public. At this time, the clinic does not accept patients, so it is no use calling and asking. Personal faxes are forwarded to her and she also receives her personal mail. She has been gone for several weeks and is not expected back before the middle of next month." "Do not expect to meet Dr. Clark hanging out at the beach, though. As you can imagine, Dr. Clark’s best friend, the Syncrometer, has been with her, releasing more of the secrets of the human body. And although Dr. Clark has only just finished her overhaul of the HIV/AIDS book (supposed to go to print next week), she is already working on the next monograph — albeit we have only the most general assumption what it might be about. As you know Dr. Clark is always good for a surprise." — A cynical person might notice that her sabbatical coincides with the recent Mexican crackdown on her clinic… sadly, she is not coming to Toronto for the annual Total Health (Quack) Expo… maybe next year… — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

Why does Hulda need to do any more research?  She has *already* found the "Cure for All Diseases." — Bubba "It’s important to let the truth be known."  -  Nicole Kidman

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The latest from Hulda: "Hulda Clark has left her clinic for a sabbatical. She does not disclose her whereabouts to the general public. At this time, the clinic does not accept patients, so it is no use calling and asking. Personal faxes are forwarded to her and she also receives her personal mail. She has been gone for several weeks and is not expected back before the middle of next month." "Do not expect to meet Dr. Clark hanging out at the beach, though. As you can imagine, Dr. Clark’s best friend, the Syncrometer, has been with her, releasing more of the secrets of the human body. And although Dr. Clark has only just finished her overhaul of the HIV/AIDS book (supposed to go to print next week), she is already working on the next monograph — albeit we have only the most general assumption what it might be about. As you know Dr. Clark is always good for a surprise." — A cynical person might notice that her sabbatical coincides with the recent Mexican crackdown on her clinic… sadly, she is not coming to Toronto for the annual Total Health (Quack) Expo… maybe next year… — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002

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Maybe she’ll kill herself. It’s still not for you to control. You have no say in it, except to express your dismay and your wish for her not to do it. That’s about it.

You know, I feel responsible for her health and I blame myself for my mother’s death.. My mother relied on me because I work in the medical field. She had cancer and was supposed to get a cat scan every year but did not. I feel that if somehow I could have encouraged her to take precautions the renal cell carcinoma that killed her might have been detected and treated. I also feel responsible for my wife’s health and I am going to express, during our sessions, the fact  that she’s not taking care of herself. Steve

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From your responses, I can see that I am emotionally dependent on my wife, whereas she is growing weary of me and is emotionally detached.

<snip totally made up story Having fun Ari aka TrueLotus aka Confused Wife aka Bob? — Jeri "Set your course by the stars, and not by the lights of every passing ship." -Omar Bradley

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I also feel responsible for my wife’s health and I am going to express, during our sessions, the fact  that she’s not taking care of herself. Steve

Bob, This is a tough position, trust me I know. Understand that she is wanting YOU to take care of her, and that is one of the reasons she is not taking care of herself. I’d offer some advice here, but I don’t really have any; if I did I’d use it myself! Just wanted to let you know your not alone. Ken

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This broad doesn’t seem to give a hoot about herself let alone you. You’re going to ask during therapy? Can’t you ask at home? /

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From your responses, I can see that I am emotionally dependent on my wife, whereas she is growing weary of me and is emotionally detached. The reason that I"M making all the changes is that SHE is the one who wants a divorce, not me. Because of the advice given on this group, I am going to ask during our therapy sessions, if it might be fair if my wife changed a few things. One thing she could change is to quit ignoring her health. She has such a high cholesterol level that it can’t be measured and her triglycerides are at 600! This is mostly a genetic problem with liver regulation according to the doctors but there are medications which would help lower the cholesterol and triglycerides. She’s not doing anything about it. She complains that she’s taken care of me for 15 years but what about when she gets a stroke or angina because she didn’t take care of her health? I will be the one giving the care!! The other thing she should change is drinking 4 bottles of beer every evening while forbidding me to drink at all. (that was one of the changes she wanted – no pot, no tobacco and no drinking). Steve

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(1) Why would she make any changes when she’s weary of you and wants a divorce?

Actually as of late, because of the changes that I have made, she no longer wants a divorce and we are fairly stable. But you’re exactly right. If SHE is the one that wants the divorce, I’M the one who has to make the changes. (2) This concern about her health sounds kind of controlling to me, actually.

How so? It’s on my list to discuss this Friday with our marital counselor. I think it is really irresponsible of her to not take care of her cholesterol problem especially since her family has a history of stroke and cardiac problems. One of the things she "hates" about me is that I get so depressed sometimes that I take prozac. She thinks that it makes me weak. I am thinking that she does not want to take anti-cholesterol drugs because of the stigma of having to take pills. But really, her cholesterol is so high it cannot be measured! Triglycerides that are usually 50 – 100 are 600. I used to work in a cholesterol testing lab and when we received samples like hers, the blood plasma was actually opaque whereas a normal persons is clear as water. Steve

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[snippage] It’s on my list to discuss this Friday with our marital counselor. I think it is really irresponsible of her to not take care of her cholesterol problem especially since her family has a history of stroke and cardiac problems.

Because her health is not for you to manage, control, monitor, or regulate. Let’s see if the counselor agrees with me. One of the things she "hates" about me is that I get so depressed sometimes that I take prozac. She thinks that it makes me weak.

This is an odd belief, which you might bring up in the session. I am thinking that she does not want to take anti-cholesterol drugs because of the stigma of having to take pills. But really, her cholesterol is so high it cannot be measured! Triglycerides that are usually 50 – 100 are 600. I used to work in a cholesterol testing lab and when we received samples like hers, the blood plasma was actually opaque whereas a normal persons is clear as water.

Maybe she’ll kill herself. It’s still not for you to control. You have no say in it, except to express your dismay and your wish for her not to do it. That’s about it. Karen

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Steven, Stop a second. Think for a moment. Does this stuff make sense to you? You’re wife is complaining about the dependency in your relationship, that she has been looking after you for 15 years (although you dont say in what sense she has "looked after you". Sometimes this can be a perjorative view) and when she gets dependent cos of ill health she expects you to be there? What kind of relationship is this? Dont you keep expecting it to be better? or that one day it will change and things will be OK? Imagine life without her. Then imagine it being OK. It’s possible. Ive been dumped by the love of my life, who "looked after" me for 13 years (yeah like I didnt look after her all that time?) The one thing I havent wanted to contemplate is the thought of life on my own. And now its here. Its not so bad. I’m going to survive. It will be different, but I’ll adapt. You could too. Give yourself some time to consider the reality of you existing happily without this relationship. Its possible. Good luck in therapy C.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This broad doesn’t seem to give a hoot about herself let alone you. You’re going to ask during therapy? Can’t you ask at home? / From your responses, I can see that I am emotionally dependent on my wife, whereas she is growing weary of me and is emotionally detached. The reason that I"M making all the changes is that SHE is the one who wants a divorce, not me. Because of the advice given on this group, I am going to ask during our therapy sessions, if it might be fair if my wife changed a few things. One thing she could change is to quit ignoring her health. She has such a high cholesterol level that it can’t be measured and her triglycerides are at 600! This is mostly a genetic problem with liver regulation according to the doctors but there are medications which would help lower the cholesterol and triglycerides. She’s not doing anything about it. She complains that she’s taken care of me for 15 years but what about when she gets a stroke or angina because she didn’t take care of her health? I will be the one giving the care!! The other thing she should change is drinking 4 bottles of beer every evening while forbidding me to drink at all. (that was one of the changes she wanted – no pot, no tobacco and no drinking). Steve

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From your responses, I can see that I am emotionally dependent on my wife, whereas she is growing weary of me and is emotionally detached. The reason that I"M making all the changes is that SHE is the one who wants a divorce, not me. Because of the advice given on this group, I am going to ask during our therapy sessions, if it might be fair if my wife changed a few things. One thing she could change is to quit ignoring her health. She has such a high cholesterol level that it can’t be measured and her triglycerides are at 600! This is mostly a genetic problem with liver regulation according to the doctors but there are medications which would help lower the cholesterol and triglycerides. She’s not doing anything about it. She complains that she’s taken care of me for 15 years but what about when she gets a stroke or angina because she didn’t take care of her health? I will be the one giving the care!! The other thing she should change is drinking 4 bottles of beer every evening while forbidding me to drink at all. (that was one of the changes she wanted – no pot, no tobacco and no drinking). Steve

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(1) Why would she make any changes when she’s weary of you and wants a divorce? (2) This concern about her health sounds kind of controlling to me, actually. Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From your responses, I can see that I am emotionally dependent on my wife, whereas she is growing weary of me and is emotionally detached. The reason that I"M making all the changes is that SHE is the one who wants a divorce, not me. Because of the advice given on this group, I am going to ask during our therapy sessions, if it might be fair if my wife changed a few things. One thing she could change is to quit ignoring her health. She has such a high cholesterol level that it can’t be measured and her triglycerides are at 600! This is mostly a genetic problem with liver regulation according to the doctors but there are medications which would help lower the cholesterol and triglycerides. She’s not doing anything about it. She complains that she’s taken care of me for 15 years but what about when she gets a stroke or angina because she didn’t take care of her health? I will be the one giving the care!! The other thing she should change is drinking 4 bottles of beer every evening while forbidding me to drink at all. (that was one of the changes she wanted – no pot, no tobacco and no drinking). Steve

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 I am 90 years old mail , looking and feeling like 70. After finding blood in my urine, I had  X-ray  and  Systoscopy  of my Bladder done,  as well as CT Scan of my Kidneys. My Urologist found the Blood not coming from the Bladder, but from an abscess in my left Kidneys. But he also said, not need to worry,  Since it is very common, and many people live with having blood in the urine, and also doing nothing about it. My question is # 1) If  the Abscess I have, has truly nothing to do with  RENAL CELL CARCINOMA,  and #2  If my case really being so common, and that I can live with it, with out doing  nothing about it. ?  Thanks for an answer Bob boby…@starband.net *********************** — Bob         Woodland Hills, Calif.

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I can only say that I’m 48, and I’ve lived with blood in my urine for almost 25 years. So, no, the blood itself isn’t a problem, unless you were losing huge amounts. And it only takes a tiny amount to colour the urine red. Pierre "Robert Low" <boby…@starband.net> wrote in message

news:BDif7.60$7B2.27507809@twister2.starband.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am 90 years old mail , looking and feeling like 70. After finding blood > in my urine, I had  X-ray  and  Systoscopy  of my Bladder done,  as well as > CT Scan of my Kidneys. My Urologist found the Blood not coming from the > Bladder, but from an abscess in my left Kidneys. > But he also said, not need to worry,  Since it is very common, and many > people live with having blood in the urine, and also doing nothing about it. > My question is > # 1) If  the Abscess I have, has truly nothing to do with  RENAL CELL > CARCINOMA,  and > #2  If my case really being so common, and that I can live with it, with out > doing  nothing about it. ? >  Thanks for an answer > Bob > boby…@starband.net > *********************** > — > Bob >         Woodland Hills, Calif.

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Hi Pierre, You made my day. And thank you for it. And for you so very grateful response, and for  know believing, that my Physician was right. — Bob         Woodland Hills, Calif. "Pierre L" <pierro…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:e8Ef7.46695$281.7878171@news4.rdc1.on.home.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I can only say that I’m 48, and I’ve lived with blood in my urine for almost > 25 years. So, no, the blood itself isn’t a problem, unless you were losing > huge amounts. And it only takes a tiny amount to colour the urine red. > Pierre > "Robert Low" <boby…@starband.net> wrote in message > news:BDif7.60$7B2.27507809@twister2.starband.net… > > I am 90 years old mail , looking and feeling like 70. After finding blood > > in my urine, I had  X-ray  and  Systoscopy  of my Bladder done,  as well > as > > CT Scan of my Kidneys. My Urologist found the Blood not coming from the > > Bladder, but from an abscess in my left Kidneys. > > But he also said, not need to worry,  Since it is very common, and many > > people live with having blood in the urine, and also doing nothing about > it. > > My question is > > # 1) If  the Abscess I have, has truly nothing to do with  RENAL CELL > > CARCINOMA,  and > > #2  If my case really being so common, and that I can live with it, with > out > > doing  nothing about it. ? > >  Thanks for an answer > > Bob > > boby…@starband.net > > *********************** > > — > > Bob > >         Woodland Hills, Calif.

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"Robert Low" <boby…@starband.net> wrote in message

news:QZWf7.895$Km5.156312703@twister2.starband.net… > Hi Pierre, You made my day. And thank you for it. And for you so very > grateful response, and for  know believing, that my Physician was right. — > Bob >         Woodland Hills, Calif.

Glad to help. Pierre Ontario, Canada

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Question:

Who can help us ? My friend, who lives in Belgium, has had five operations to remove up to seven anaplastic astrocytoma. She has also been treated with irradiation many times. Doctors have tried to find what causes these tumors to grow, but cannot find the answer.This means that they don’t know what treatment to try next. Operating or irradiation can no longer be done according to the doctors, without causing serious brain damage. So we are desparate for new treatment or any news which can help us find a solution or cure. My friend now again has two tumors, so we really are in need of help.

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Nels- Anaplastic Astrocytoma is a Grade III brain tumor. My mother was reciently diagnosed with a Grade IV tumor, Glioblastoma multiforma. Grade III is a bad tumor, and Grade IV is worse. There are many Web sites with information about these tumors. My brother has set up a quick and dirty list of sites related to Grade IV tumors. Check on this link: http://www.joeaas.com There is no cure, and if they keep growing back, there is not a lot that can be done. There are some clinical trials going on, but I would think your friend is running out of time. Good luck, and I wish you the best. Dave Aas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who can help us ? My friend, who lives in Belgium, has had five operations to remove up to seven anaplastic astrocytoma. She has also been treated with irradiation many times. Doctors have tried to find what causes these tumors to grow, but cannot find the answer.This means that they don’t know what treatment to try next. Operating or irradiation can no longer be done according to the doctors, without causing serious brain damage. So we are desparate for new treatment or any news which can help us find a solution or cure. My friend now again has two tumors, so we really are in need of help.

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I’m hungry .. time to eat .. Who loves ya. Tom

That wasn’t it. You confuse postings others have made with my postings. You’ve done it before. Such a large amount of childish bile in such a small mind.

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What the heck does the actual question matter to Tom? He needs a psychiatrist.

well, I can think of alot of things he needs, but won’t post them here..:) Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life.

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They are ‘related’ ..

how so..?? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life.

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Do your own investigation .. maybe you’ll ‘run across’ another DIFFERENT type of cancer somewhere ELSE in the head

are you actually suggesting that neuroblastoma is a "brain cancer" ?? geez….do some research would you would you like some information on neuroblastoma, and WHERE it’s located int he body?? I’ll be glad to help, since I have files on every type of childhood cancer there is… where did you say you were educated? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life.

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Do your own investigation .. maybe you’ll ‘run across’ another DIFFERENT type of cancer somewhere ELSE in the head are you actually suggesting that neuroblastoma is a "brain cancer" ?? geez….do some research would you would you like some information on neuroblastoma, and WHERE it’s located int he body?? I’ll be glad to help, since I have files on every type of childhood cancer there is… where did you say you were educated?

Or is being educated?

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what the heck does neuroblastoma have to do with an anaplastic astrocytoma?? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life. They are ‘related’ .. You mean they are both cancers, Tom? Like tonsillitis and bubonic plague are both infections? Enlighten us.

Just like there are a hundred DIFFERENT forms of arthritis ..? Do your own investigation .. maybe you’ll ‘run across’ another DIFFERENT type of cancer somewhere ELSE in the head and you’ll be able to name it after your cat .. Who loves ya. Tom   — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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Tom, if anyone needs a psychiatrist, it’s you. Seriously, that’s advice.

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Tom, if anyone needs a psychiatrist, it’s you. Seriously, that’s advice.

I see you HAVE finally decided to ‘chuck the training’ and step into ANOTHER field .. this time psychiatry .. Might have better ‘luck’.. over there? Stick with your needles .. at least I provided PROOF to you that they work .. not like your ‘mentor’ .. Barrett who you ‘wait on hand and foot’ .. EVEN THOUGH HE CALLS YOU A QUACK .. Methinks if someone were to call ME a quack WHO I ‘honestly’ believed in .. I would think twice about my ‘calling’ .. but as we have seen .. failing in your ‘calling’ has NOT .. deterred YOU .. one little bit .. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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Stick with your needles .. at least I provided PROOF to you that they work .. not like your ‘mentor’ .. Barrett who you ‘wait on hand and foot’ .. EVEN THOUGH HE CALLS YOU A QUACK ..

Do you make your entire life up? Is your view of the world mostly fabrication? Do you like to make up baseless stories about other people? Methinks if someone were to call ME a quack WHO I ‘honestly’ believed in .. I would think twice about my ‘calling’ .. but as we have seen .. failing in your ‘calling’ has NOT .. deterred YOU .. one little bit ..

If you were sane or intelligent, what would you say next?

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what the heck does neuroblastoma have to do with an anaplastic astrocytoma?? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life.

They are ‘related’ .. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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what the heck does neuroblastoma have to do with an anaplastic astrocytoma?? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life. They are ‘related’ ..

You mean they are both cancers, Tom? Like tonsillitis and bubonic plague are both infections? Enlighten us.

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Stick with your needles .. at least I provided PROOF to you that they work .. not like your ‘mentor’ .. Barrett who you ‘wait on hand and foot’ .. EVEN THOUGH HE CALLS YOU A QUACK .. Do you make your entire life up? Is your view of the world mostly fabrication? Do you like to make up baseless stories about other people?

YOU pulled Barrett up a long time ago.. and NO .. I won’t go find the thread .. Methinks if someone were to call ME a quack WHO I ‘honestly’ believed in .. I would think twice about my ‘calling’ .. but as we have seen .. failing in your ‘calling’ has NOT .. deterred YOU .. one little bit .. If you were sane or intelligent, what would you say next?

I’m hungry .. time to eat .. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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What the heck does the actual question matter to Tom? He needs a psychiatrist.

Maybe YOU should do some homework .. and BONE UP ON THE LATEST .. by hopping in your beammer and go see Dr. Hoffer and take him to lunch and SEE the results of someone .. who ISN’T a fatalist .. Do some WORK instead of relying on the same old .. samo .. samo .. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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What the heck does the actual question matter to Tom? He needs a psychiatrist. Maybe YOU should do some homework .. and BONE UP ON THE LATEST .. by hopping in your beammer and go see Dr. Hoffer and take him to lunch and SEE the results of someone .. who ISN’T a fatalist .. Do some WORK instead of relying on the same old .. samo .. samo ..

Dr Hoffer? He IS a psychiatrist, though he "treats" cancer most of the time. And I doubt my 12 year old Sunbird would make it that far.

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Dr Hoffer? He IS a psychiatrist, though he "treats" cancer most of the time. And I doubt my 12 year old Sunbird would make it that far.

Yep.. moved from curing schizophrenia INTO cancer .. now he is curing that too .. Ask Margot and HER bout with schizophrenia and how she is testifying before subcommittees PLEADING for them to stop the FDA from PERSECUTING those doctors who ARE attempting to use the protocol put out by physicians who ARE curing schizophrenia .. with .. coincidentally .. antioxidants .. Just think with your Sunbird .. twelve year old (even I own a better piece of crap than that) .. you could take the protocol of Dr. Hoffer .. and the Ip6 .. used to treat heavy addiction .. and maybe just maybe you’ll .. PUT THAT MOM or dad .. back into her home .. with her kids instead of sitting here being a fatalist .. Might put a smile back on your sorry face .. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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what the heck does neuroblastoma have to do with an anaplastic astrocytoma?? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life.

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what the heck does neuroblastoma have to do with an anaplastic astrocytoma?? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing".1/17/98 – 9/1/00  wife to E….the other love of my life.

What the heck does the actual question matter to Tom? He needs a psychiatrist.

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Nels- There is no cure, and if they keep growing back, there is not a lot that can operations to remove up to seven anaplastic astrocytoma.

   Cancer Res 48: 7189-92 (1988)[89051784] Deferoxamine inhibition of human neuroblastoma viability and proliferation.     D. L. Becton & P. Bryles    University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Little Rock.    Patients with widespread neuroblastoma (NB) frequently have elevated    serum ferritin levels, and recently anti-NB effects of the iron    chelator deferoxamine (DFO) have been reported. We have investigated    the effect of DFO on human bone marrow NB cells from two untreated    children with Evans Stage IV disease. DFO treatment caused dose- and    time-dependent cytotoxicity of NB cells, with maximal killing at    exposure to 50 micron DFO for 72 h. Cytotoxicity was prevented by    cotreatment with stoichiometric amounts of iron salts and reversible    by removal of DFO or addition of iron salts within 48 h of treatment.    Additionally, DFO inhibited clonal growth of human bone marrow NB    cells in methylcellulose in a time- and dose-dependent manner. These    effects were also prevented by cotreatment with iron salts. Thus, DFO    has potent antitumor effects on human NB cells which appear to be    related to iron deprivation. DFO should be considered for further    preclinical evaluation as an anti-NB agent.    MeSH Terms:      * Bone Marrow/cytology      * Bone Marrow/drug effects      * Cell Division/drug effects      * Cell Survival/drug effects      * Deferoxamine/pharmacology      * Dose-Response Relationship, Drug      * Ferritin/blood      * Human      * Neuroblastoma/drug therapy      * Time Factors    Substances:      * Ferritin      * Deferoxamine   ROLE OF PHYTIC ACID IN CANCER AND DISEASE PREVENTION    by D. R. RAO and L. U. Thompson*    Food Science Program, Department of Life Science, Alabama A&M    University, Normal, AL 35762; *Department of Nutritional Science,    University of Toronto, M5S1A8    Animal model and cell culture studies provide convincing evidence for    the anticarcinogenic properties of phytic acid (inositol    hexaphosphate; InsP6). In several studies, dietary InsP6 has been    shown to suppress colon, mammary, lung, liver and skin tumorigenesis    and the growth of transplanted fibrosarcoma in rat or mouse models    with at least one study showing a clear dose-response of colon tumors.    InsP6 appears to be effective at both pre- and post-initiation stages    of carcinogenesis. InsP6 also showed striking anticancer potential in    several cell lines in vitro (erythroleukemia K562, HT-29, MCF 7, MDAMB    231, PC-3, Fibroblasts and JB-6). Interestingly, InsP6 can    dedifferentiate transformed cell lines and reverse the growth of    tumors. Therefore, InsP6 has been suggested to possess both    chemopreventive and chemotherapeutic activities against cancer. While    the mechanism of anticarcinogenic action of InsP6 is unclear, recent    studies point out to control mechanisms existing at cell division    level. For example, InsP6 has been shown to: 1) inhibit the activation    of activator protein 1 (a crucial tumor promotion step) by targeting    phosphatidyl inositol-3′ kinase in signal transduction path ways, and    2) up-regulate the tumor suppressor gene P53 expression in HT-29 human    colon carcinoma cells. Free radical sequestering activity of and    induction of phase-2 enzymes by InsP6 may be equally important,    especially when one considers the evidence from pre-initiation    experiments. Direct epidemiological data on the antitumorigenic    properties of InsP6, however, are lacking. Meta-analysis of existing    data on antitumorigenic effect of dietary fiber with InsP6 as a    covariable may yield some meaningful results.    Animal studies have shown that dietary InsP6 supplementation results    in significant reduction in serum cholesterol and triglycerides. The    purported benefits of dietary InsP6 in preventing heart disease, and    preventing formation of renal calculi also need further investigation. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus was a Vegetarian! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman Moses was a Mystic! http://www.nucleus.com/watchman/light.html

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